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Offline oneway

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2010, 07:31:27 PM »
On what are you basing this statement?

Reality...and the fact I can take a hot shower whenever I want and I don't have to boil water to drink it...

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The next time you respond to this thread thank a greedy capitalist....

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2010, 07:35:54 PM »
Reality...and the fact I can take a hot shower whenever I want and I don't have to boil water to drink it...

That's not exactly a high standard, there. Just saying.

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2010, 07:38:29 PM »
That's not exactly a high standard, there. Just saying.

After sucking in oxygen and expelling green house gases for the last 50+ years I would beg to differ with you...

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2010, 07:40:27 PM »
Sunday September 10 2006 Magnitude 5.8... effects of the quake were felt throughout Florida and as far away as North Carolina.

The survey company I was working for at the time went into deep water mapping immediately (Government funded) so I am very familiar with the topology of the Gulf of Mexico. The major fault line actually follows the Mississippi river very nearly right down the center all the way to New Orleans and further south 250 miles. There are many sub-faults that branch off the central fault and flow east and west. We have them mapped now. Up until the event of 2006 these faults were totally unknown.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/shakemap/global/shake/slav_06/

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2010, 08:49:03 PM »
I live where they take oil from our land pay a dirt cheap price fer it, bring it down states, process it down there, bottle it and send it back up here to alaska and we pay tenfold times more than THEY paid for it. on top of that, WHEN they do have an oil spill the oil company is like EH SO WHAT we will clean it up EH its not in my yard. So friken annoying unfair, IF i was to goto BP's building in Anchorage and open up a QUART of oil and spill it in the buggers crib id get thrown the f in jail and a BIIIIGGG fine. our ways of LAW is messed up. I say throw BP's all of them in jail. they are criminals for contaminating the land and water.

Isn't that a bill that Palin got through........?

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #50 on: May 18, 2010, 10:03:19 PM »
Isn't that a bill that Palin got through........?

Here we go...

The de-evolution of logic and reason...

Are you sure "that bill" is the one you reference or the other one...where she approved biting off the heads of babies and feeding them to the sled dogs?

No no....I am sorry, I am mistaken....you must be referencing where she wanted to use Polar Bear spawning grounds for dumping snow mobile crank case oil...

That's it....stupid bears...

Heck makes sense...if a stupid white bear wants to ravage dumpster in a northern hooch you might as well feed him Ski-Doo crank case oil...

Yep I  am sure that is the Bill Palin approved....

What an evil witch...the progenitor of all that is wrong...

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How in the world did we go from timely "Russian Advice" to set off a nuke in the Sargasso Basin to "Biting the Heads Off" of babies and feeding them to sled dogs?

Whipsaw.....
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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2010, 10:14:13 PM »
The Russians are just lookng for a cheap way to re-run Operation Crossroads...all they need now are some old warships

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2010, 10:40:54 PM »
The Russians are just lookng for a cheap way to re-run Operation Crossroads...all they need now are some old warships

 Tronsky

Yep...

But....

They are stuck with supplying the tin horns who would love to visit XRoad Reduex...in the process they  get some pay back for having the Capitalist Juggernaut shoved down their throat in the late 80's...90's

No doubt the bellybutton chapping we handed them still stings....

They love cozening up to clowns such as Kim Jong and AkMDingALing to vicariously express themselves...

The state department song and dance and the diplomatic gyrations make me sick...on one hand we pretend they are new age allies...on the other hand they feed money and material assets to those who destabilize geo-political normality...

Look at the bright side...

At no time in the history of the planet have more nations been founded on constitutional/democratic republics....still along way to go...but the progress is undeniable...

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2010, 11:24:20 PM »
Sunday September 10 2006 Magnitude 5.8... effects of the quake were felt throughout Florida and as far away as North Carolina.

The survey company I was working for at the time went into deep water mapping immediately (Government funded) so I am very familiar with the topology of the Gulf of Mexico. The major fault line actually follows the Mississippi river very nearly right down the center all the way to New Orleans and further south 250 miles. There are many sub-faults that branch off the central fault and flow east and west. We have them mapped now. Up until the event of 2006 these faults were totally unknown.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/shakemap/global/shake/slav_06/

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2010, 11:48:12 PM »

Do some research and you will discover what I am saying is true.  :aok

I did some research and discovered what you are saying couldn't be any further from true.  Calling it flat out wrong would be an understatement.  

Firstly, a nuclear bomb releases a minute fraction of that of a tsunami causing earthquake.  The two aren't even comparable.  That is fact.  Now you are trying to say that since it would be occurring around a fault line, the nuclear explosion would somehow spur a chain reaction which causes an actual earthquake.  I knew this to be complete hogwash as soon as I read it, but decided to pull some facts up just to back up what I already knew:

An earthquake is the sudden release of strain energy in the Earth's crust (see "Earthquakes in a Nutshell"), but strain builds up from several different causes: the movements of plate tectonics, the weight of sediments shifting from erosion or from deposition, changes in fluids underground, and more obscure factors like mineral phase changes in the mantle

So the forces that ordinary bombs exert don't cause earthquakes. The amount of energy in bomb explosions is microscopic compared to the energies of earthquakes. It's like the difference between playing on a piano and dropping the piano down a flight of stairs.

Secondly, the existence of a fault line/zone is nothing more than an area where the earth releases internal strain from its crust (earthquakes).  A bomb has absolutely no impact on strain/movement of plates/weight of sediment/erosion/changes in fluids and absolutely zero effect.  You could detonate a hundred nuclear bombs simultaneously right on top of a fault line and it would not initiate an earthquake, the two have nothing to do with one another.


And Chalenge in regards to this:
@Grizz

One advantage to dealing with ridiculous responses like yours is there is never any substance to anything you offer.

You didnt even bother to look into the possible repercussions but it doesnt matter. I have doubts the politicians in this country will ever allow a nuclear device be used for this.

It isn't my responsibility to do this research because I'm not the one saying this:

The problem with a nuclear device is that it would remove so much solid material that it would cause a monumental movement of millions of tons of water below the surface. At that depth pressures are so high that the resulting shock wave would be carried not hundreds but thousands of miles like the worst tsunami imagineable.

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Not that this matters anyways.  The main point is being lost in all of this.  It would still probably be a bad idea to use a nuke for many of the reasons oneway pointed out.

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2010, 12:51:54 AM »
And even if it does trigger an earthquake at the fault location, doing nothing would not prevent the same earthquake from occurring in the future due to the insane pressures already present in it. I don't know what kind of fault this is but worrying about a tsunami is the least of my concern. Its probably going to be a wave smaller than those generated by a bird's poop landing in my pool.

Even if its the Russians idea, it doesn't mean its them that are going to take the matter into their own hands at the cost of the American's control and safety. Since I don't understand what Oneway means, I believe its a good idea to finally use those weapons for a good cause which every informed person will agree upon. No pun intended. Though its still not an excuse to build more.
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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2010, 01:33:44 AM »
...Even if its the Russians idea, it doesn't mean its them that are going to take the matter into their own hands at the cost of the American's control and safety....

Here is someone who has put two of the three puzzle pieces together...which puts him one puzzle piece up on the rest of the crowd...but we are still missing the whole picture...

The key here is that this IS THE RUSSIANS IDEA.......and it is not an accident that this idea suggest U.S. unilateral action...

Lepape's comments sardonically point out that..."it doesn't mean its them that are going to take matter into their own hands..."....and he is exactly right for the wrong reason...

The Russians would love to see us touch off a nuke on the well head...given a chance they "would take matters into their own hands"...and force us to play the stupid card...

Thankfully, and despite the idiotic posturing of this present administration and their incessant hand wringing, they are not this stupid...not this inept...

But...they continue to surprise me...

NO NUKES ON THE WELL HEAD...THE RUSSKIES CAN POUND SAND...SANCTIONS TO CONTINUE ON IRAN AND PRNK....

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2010, 02:08:46 AM »
Uncle Kim would like to remind you that it's the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.  If you act now Uncle Kim will give you a water buffalo and your own rice paddy to squat in.:rofl
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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2010, 02:37:31 AM »
So the forces that ordinary bombs exert don't cause earthquakes. The amount of energy in bomb explosions is microscopic compared to the energies of earthquakes. It's like the difference between playing on a piano and dropping the piano down a flight of stairs.

Analogy of the week!  :aok

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Re: Russian solution to oil spill
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2010, 04:01:34 AM »
I did some research and discovered what you are saying couldn't be any further from true.  

I never said the nuke would directly cause the tsunami. What I was trying to get everyone to see is the repercussion of a nuke along a seismic fault line (sub-fault in this case). No one can predict they effect of a massive movement of terrain at that depth. Its never been done before and its a bad idea.

I guess you and Al Gore have a lot in common there Grizz.  You both KNOW IT ALL!  :neener:
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