Less Expensive Spit 14

[Yarbles]

Given its relativley modest use and in practice poor performance in terms of K/D I would have thought it worth considering halfing its perk cost.

The arguments are.

1) It is by no means an uber ride and unlike other Spits challenging to fly at all well.

2) Its contemporary the 109 K4 is not perked and easily its match.

3) Although it has one of the lowest perk costs of a perked plane its sees little use.

4) In the arena it performs poorly in terms of K/D compared to ther perked rides.


In short I consider it a well modelled plane that would get more use but not upset the balance of the arena at all if the perk value was halved. It offers a chance to learn the strenghts and weaknesses of an exciting but more challenging Spit which at present I think we are wasteing as it is different but not significantly supperior to the 8 or 16 .

[Lusche]

I do have to diasgree. Don't half it's perk price.


Set it free. Unleash the Spit 14! No reason to perk it!

[Wmaker]

Hopefully it will get unperked.

[Yarbles]

I do have to diasgree. Don't half it's perk price.


Set it free. Unleash the Spit 14! No reason to perk it!

Out of interest would you say some of the mid to late war 109's are better than the last versions and would this also apply to the 190.

I am not convinced the 14 is actually a better Spit than the 8 or 16 would you agree.

Obvioulsy there are allot of factors and differnt circumstances but overall I would suggest in Spit terms the average stick would do better in the 8.

So what is the perk for. I would suggest to stop people automatically selecting the 14 as latest and therefore best and I can see no other reason. Given that this will tend to happen though a small perk value is in order in myu opinion.

[Lusche]

Out of interest would you say some of the mid to late war 109's are better than the last versions and would this also apply to the 190.

I am not convinced the 14 is actually a better Spit than the 8 or 16 would you agree.

Obvioulsy there are allot of factors and differnt circumstances but overall I would suggest in Spit terms the average stick would do better in the 8.

So what is the perk for. I would suggest to stop people automatically selecting the 14 as latest and therefore best and I can see no other reason. Given that this will tend to happen though a small perk value is in order in myu opinion.

I think most players that "automatically" would select the latest Spit would probably select the 16 - after all, 16 comes after 14...
All others would do a few hops in it, then go back to the 16 rather quick. There is no reason to expect the arena would be flooded with 14's instead of 16's.

The earlier Spits a just much better handling, and the 14 doesn't offer enough advantages on it's own at typical MA altitudes that can compensate this trait.

[321BAR]

the Ta-152 was unperked for this same factor. There would not be any major effect by the Ta-152 in the LWMA. although compared to the Spit14 the 152 isn't much except for the flight time.
by the way: the snail himself told me this once upon a time

[Yarbles]

I think most players that "automatically" would select the latest Spit would probably select the 16 - after all, 16 comes after 14...
All others would do a few hops in it, then go back to the 16 rather quick. There is no reason to expect the arena would be flooded with 14's instead of 16's.

The earlier Spits a just much better handling, and the 14 doesn't offer enough advantages on it's own at typical MA altitudes that can compensate this trait.

I think the 8 is actually the best of the bunch overall and perhaps you are right about the 16. I would suggest HTC gives it a trial period as in a couple of perks or none and either way I don't think anyone will complaign.

8. For me halving or unperking it would be like getting a new plane ion the game. I thni if it was unperked there would be an initial flock to fly it but then it would settle down to being slightly more poular than the 9.

[bozon]

I doubt any of the people posting here asking for it to be unperked have less than a good few thousand perk points on their account. Unless you keep crashing it on evey sortie, or keep rolling it out of a vulched field for the chess piece with most players and consistently get zero kills in it, most players can fly it exclusively for many many tours before running out of perks. The perk cost is nothing more than a psychological barrier.

That being said, it is not as dominant as the other perk rides of equal cost.

[Krusty]

Your fallacy is assuming kill/death ratio is related to the aircraft's performance itself. It is not. The spit14 is perked for good reason, and if you bring up the "but the spit16..." argument that only serves to fuel "the spit16 should be perked too" argument!

[Lusche]

Your fallacy is assuming kill/death ratio is related to the aircraft's performance itself. It is not. The spit14 is perked for good reason,

No it is not. Absolutely not. In this case the (relatively) low K/D reflects pretty much the aircrafts performance. Many factors that can artificially affect the K/D of a plane in a negative way are simply not present. No 2-week noobs augering čn masse (perk barrier). No porkers using it for suicide jabo runs (no ords), like the 47N or 51 or 38L. No one ever offered any explanation for it's low (for a perk ride) K/D

Fact is, the Spit 14 is a good & capable plane, but it offers nothing in LW MA play that puts it clearly "above & beyond" it's opposition in a manner that could be even remotely described as "unbalancing" in any way. It's still fragile, it actually does not like high speed (roll rate being quickly reduced to almost zero), it's an unstable gun platform with some vicious stall characteristics.
It's fast at MA combat altitudes - for a Spitfire, overall it's just "quite good". It climbs well, but 109's to that as well (and have 10mins WEP).

[Karnak]

Your fallacy is assuming kill/death ratio is related to the aircraft's performance itself. It is not. The spit14 is perked for good reason, and if you bring up the "but the spit16..." argument that only serves to fuel "the spit16 should be perked too" argument!

You always say that in these threads about the Spit XIV, but unlike us you never provide any evidence to support your position, none, not one single bit, yet you arrogantly act as though you have mountains of evidence supporting you.  You do not, your opinion is not evidence.

[jdbecks]

imho the spit 14 should be unperked and the spit16 perked 

[Infidelz]

I completely agree with .... everyone, but isn't this a wish? Just saying....

Infidelz

[SmokinLoon]

The Spit16 is far more capable than the Spit14.  The *only* area in which the 14 outshines the 16 is in speed at high (22k+) altitudes.  It does have a wee itsy bitsy advantage over the 16 in speed at lower levels, but not much.  Any advantage the 14 has over the 16 is minimal due to the 16's far superior turn rate, roll rate, ability to carry 1k ordnance (think versatility), and near identical speeds and climb rates at the most common alts in AH.

There is a reason people take the Spit16 and not risk perks on the Spit14. 

Set free the Spitfire Mk XIV!!!   

[Bronk]

Your fallacy is assuming kill/death ratio is related to the aircraft's performance itself. It is not. The spit14 is perked for good reason, and if you bring up the "but the spit16..." argument that only serves to fuel "the spit16 should be perked too" argument!

Your bias is showing.