Less Expensive Spit 14

[Warspawn]

The Spit16 is far more capable than the Spit14. 

Set free the Spitfire Mk XIV!!!   

Agreed.  Perk the Spit 16 and La-7; take off the Spit 14 perk cost.

[Yarbles]

I think a small incremental change more realistic as in halve the perks for the 14. The spit 16 is an inferior low speed dogfighter to the spit 8 and the LA7 is not a great turn plane with limited range and poor performance at altitude.

[RTHolmes]

Agreed.  Perk the Spit 16, La-7 and P-51D; take off the Spit 14 perk cost.

fixed

[Greziz]

I don't fly spits very often the only ones I do though when I feel the fancy is the spit 1 spit 14 and spit 16. I have to say I believe the spit 14 is better than the spit 16 atleast the way I fly any who I say this not just because of the climb difference but because I feel as though the spit 14 just accelerates faster. I can't say with facts that it does just saying it feels like it does if any one has real knowledge on which one accelerates faster feel free to clue us in but I have a good feeling that the spit 14 drag races a bit harder.

[Lusche]

. I can't say with facts that it does just saying it feels like it does if any one has real knowledge on which one accelerates faster feel free to clue us in but I have a good feeling that the spit 14 drag races a bit harder.

Yes. Sort of.
Under 250mph the effect is absolutely negligible (like 0.1s when going 150-200). Over 250 it's still very small, only when it's getting closer to the 16's top speed the 14 starts pulling away...

[SmokinLoon]

so far... it appears that a wee bit of speed advantage and a wee bit of climb advantage over the 16 gives the 14 a perk cost, but the obviously better roll rates, turn rates, and ability to carry 1k ordnance for the 16  gets a free pass.   

One has to wonder how they gauge what gets perked and what does not.   

The Spit14 is a beast... above 20k.   

[STEELE]

Spit 14 feels and sounds like it bogs right down btwn 18 and 22K, chugs gas like a 69 Coupe DeVille, and has an evil stall.      +1     

[321BAR]

Agreed.  Perk the Spit 16 and La-7; take off the Spit 14 perk cost.

wherever did my perk thread go to?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,285978.0.html

i love starting things for fun...

[Ghosth]

Personally I'd be fine with cutting the 14's perk cost in half, and putting it on the 16.

But I don't think you'll ever see it happen. For whatever reason HTC has decided to leave the 16 unperked.
And unless it becomes totally unbalanced in the area's the the F4u-1c long long ago. You won't ever see it perked.

[Noah17]

The 16 seems to be every where; I think it should be perked somewhat. How much combat did they really see?
I'm biased the 16 seems to be my nemesis I still can't fight them as well as I'd like. It is a very good performing plane.........

I have never flown the Spit 14 but it seems to be more of a BnZ/E fighter. Those are the types of planes that I would normally fly. I think the reason most Spit pilots don't fly them well is because they're used to the TnB of the other Spits.

I think the really late war or small production lot super planes should all be perked somewhat because they are so good and didn't see too much combat. Spit 16, 109K-4 probably some others. It's already been done to the F4U 4 and C. I think the arena would have a better balance. IMO the only reason the 16 hasn't been adjusted is that too many people will complain because they fly it....Politics.......And Aces High is here to make $.

I have nothing against those who like the 14 or 16...If you like flying it you wouldn't want someone to take it away.

[321BAR]

yeah the spit16 is a noobs plane, not many vets fly it. and i dont care much about the darn thing getting perked cuz i'm always dancing around it in circles

[Krusty]

so far... it appears that a wee bit of speed advantage and a wee bit of climb advantage over the 16 gives the 14 a perk cost

The spit14 is a beast below 20k too.

Consider that the spit14 has been in AH for a long long long long time.

The spit16 is a newcomer, comparatively.

The Spit14 was perked for a reason. Now comes a plane just as good (and better in some respects) and it remains unperked. The question is not "why is the spit14 perked" but "why was the spit16 NOT perked like the other?"

HTC are the only ones that know why.


P.S. You can't perk the spit16 and not the spit8. Almost identical speed/climb/turn rates. They're essentially the same plane, but one has clipped wingtips and one has wing fuel tanks. That's why these discussions never go anywhere, ever, and I doubt they ever will.


IMO the Spit14 is perked for good reason. The spit16 is NOT perked for whatever reason. I don't think HTC will ever change that JUST to prevent the opening of the can of worms if EITHER happens.

[Karnak]

Krusty,

The Ta152 was perked for a reason too.

Tired of your circular reasoning yet?

The P-51D is totally dominating the numbers this tour.  It has a higher K/D ratio and more than 3000 more kills and more than 2000 more deaths than the Spitfire Mk XVI.  Remove the Spit XVI and the P-51D has more than twice the kills of the next highest fighter.

I know that you say none of that means anything and the only measure that counts is the mystical Krusty feeling, but....

[Bronk]

Krusty meter is pegged BTW.

[Krusty]

Tired of your circular reasoning yet?

My point was to blatantly point out the ARGUMENT itself is iherrently circular. Not my comments.

Let's go through it.

Point A:

You can't justify unperking what is for all intents and purposes a monster airplane with one of the best rates of climb in the game and more manuverability than "most" of the planeset, 2 hispanos, 2 50cals, and a very lethal platform. It was perked for a reason.

leads to point B:

The Spit16 is introduced but does NOT receive a perk price. Currently the MOST used spit in the entire game, it and the spit8 (essentially the same plane) have been used the most for more tours than I can count, even more than the P-51 (and they don't ground pound!). This plane is more manuverable, JUST as able of climbing, has the same weapons package and rolls like a f4u, yet is not perked. By all previous criteria it should have an equal perk to the Spit14.

leads us to point C:

The Spit8 is the Spit16. Same plane. Spit8 has slightly more lift due to rounded wingtips, but slightly more weight due to wing gas tanks, so climb rates are almost identical. Level speeds are almost identical too (in fact may be). The only differences are the clipped wings roll rate on the spit16, so one must not mention perking the spit16 without some caveat or mention of the spit8 as well.

Which leads us to A again.

You can't mention any one of these planes and the word "perk" without mentioning all of them and discussing what a messy can of worms the entire deal is.


My opinion/point was the end of the last post I made in this thread: That it is such a bloody mess HTC probably won't do anything about it.


The Ta152 was perked out of a fear that never manifested. It also suffered greatly when AH2 was introduced. In AH1 it was quite the dogfighter, able to hang on its nose like an ICBM, it was extremely potent. In AH2 it really lost something in the translation and the instabilities have all but crippled it for general use. In AH1 it warranted a perk. In AH2 it does not. In AH1 the Spit14 warranted a perk, and for the same reasons it still does in AH2. I don't think you can compare the two cases and set "spit precedent" based off of "Ta152 history".


EDIT: I'm not sure if I'm describing my last post's intentions properly. I gave it a shot, but sometimes I don't phrase things the way that others will best understand.