Russian solution to oil spill

[Chalenge]

Allaire you should look up the original definition of 'democrat' as defined by our forefathers. In those days if you used language like that you would be dueling for your life. 

[oakranger]

Allaire you should look up the original definition of 'democrat' as defined by our forefathers. In those days if you used language like that you would be dueling for your life. 

I thought we where a "republic" nation?  Anyway, i am sure we can deliver a device that far down with out any problems.  As far as the effects that the device will activate a earthquake can be possible and sure that the USGS can tell what may happen.  The that device energy will be a lot smaller than the first tested atomic bomb in New Mexico. 

[allaire]

Allaire you should look up the original definition of 'democrat' as defined by our forefathers. In those days if you used language like that you would be dueling for your life. 

I don't need to look up anything.  That is what North Korea calls itself.  The line I used was from the movie "Hamburger Hill."

[oneway]

Just so the uniformed are clear...

This Nation (ours) is not a Democracy....Democracy is a messy business fraught with challenge and propensity for de-evolution into to mob rule...

This Nation is a Constitutional Republic founded on our Forefathers infinite wisdom that every power center should be divided...

Anyone who thinks America is a Democracy has to go to the back of the Bus and learn 'sumpin'...

We are NOT a Democracy...and thank god for that...

Our system as a Republic recognizes States rights...and neuters to an extent the all reaching, all knowing Federal hand...

Lets embrace that limitation and enjoin it...

Semper Fi...

Out

Oneway

[druski85]

This thread makes my brain turn into Allaire's avatar.  I can't believe it's still open, to be frank.   

Anyway, we obviously just need to shove golf balls and scraps of rubber into the well head.  What could possibly go wrong?   

[Chalenge]

I thought we where a "republic" nation?  Anyway, i am sure we can deliver a device that far down with out any problems.  As far as the effects that the device will activate a earthquake can be possible and sure that the USGS can tell what may happen.  The that device energy will be a lot smaller than the first tested atomic bomb in New Mexico. 

At 5000 feet underwater and then another 2-300 feet below the surface ANY explosion will have zero effect upon that oil leak. The reason is (and sorry if this upsets Russians) that the deeper you have to go with explosive charges the more mass you must move to make any type of crater and what ends up happening at pressures as severe as those at 5000 depth is that the crater formed is a vertical column with ZERO side-form (no lateral translation).

The problem becomes greater concerning sound waves driven by nuclear proportions (10T and above). The reason is the way sound waves (which are the same as pressure waves in effect) propagate at 5000 feet under water. You dont have to worry about levels of sound but just the fact that the low frequency wave is initiated and that it is powered by the force of the explosion. Under water of that depth the wave becomes nearly recursive which means that is further powered by repeat instances. In the case we are discussing the waves (the problem frequencies) reflect off of the thermocline and can travel for thousands of miles (you can check this by doing the math yourself - see Mackenzie and Coppens formulas for speed of sound in sea water and Underwater Acoustics). Worse than that is the fact that harmonic functions form within the wave immediately. The harmonics it turns out become the biggest problem but the fact that the Gulf is very nearly completely enclosed comes to issue also due to reflective waves. Now despite the fact that you can (according to some brilliant individuals) drop bombs on a fault by the hundreds and see no earthquake... you cannot guarantee with any certainty that pressure waves of the intensity we are talking about would have zero effect. This is a problem of force and resonance but not of direct force and not of direct resonance and yes I can see problems forming (it should be obvious). Also the creation of Seiche events within the Gulf would not be limited to pressure waves because surface waves will be driven by pressure waves passing through the thermocline in a non-uniform manner. The reason that this happens (seiche formations) is the effect that varying pressures occur in deep sea water due to differing temperatures depth and salinations. Seiche events could theoretically resonate for days.

This is not just a bad idea its an absolutely horrible concept. Just some happy thoughts to go along with our little oil disaster. 

[Angus]

Did anyone here see dambusters?
 

[Plawranc]

All I can say is.

America and Russia both have their flaws, but there is one thing that the Russians do better than the US, and that is accomplishing things.

For example, NASA spent millions designing a Pen that worked in space, Russia gave their astronauts pencils.

The M-16 had to have the top two rounds of the magazine removed to prevent jams. The AK-47 could be ditched in a quagmire of mud for two weeks, picked up by an NVA soldier and fired.

The point is that America spends millions on different projects on one thing or another, where Russia takes a method that works and adapt it to suit with existing equipment. Making it easier, faster and most importantly... cheap.

So if I needed something done in a hurry that would be solved permanently I would give Vlad a call.

[Motherland]

America and Russia both have their flaws, but there is one thing that the Russians do better than the US, and that is accomplishing things.

Such as landing on the moon, or creating a stable country?

[oakranger]

At 5000 feet underwater and then another 2-300 feet below the surface ANY explosion will have zero effect upon that oil leak. The reason is (and sorry if this upsets Russians) that the deeper you have to go with explosive charges the more mass you must move to make any type of crater and what ends up happening at pressures as severe as those at 5000 depth is that the crater formed is a vertical column with ZERO side-form (no lateral translation).

The problem becomes greater concerning sound waves driven by nuclear proportions (10T and above). The reason is the way sound waves (which are the same as pressure waves in effect) propagate at 5000 feet under water. You dont have to worry about levels of sound but just the fact that the low frequency wave is initiated and that it is powered by the force of the explosion. Under water of that depth the wave becomes nearly recursive which means that is further powered by repeat instances. In the case we are discussing the waves (the problem frequencies) reflect off of the thermocline and can travel for thousands of miles (you can check this by doing the math yourself - see Mackenzie and Coppens formulas for speed of sound in sea water and Underwater Acoustics). Worse than that is the fact that harmonic functions form within the wave immediately. The harmonics it turns out become the biggest problem but the fact that the Gulf is very nearly completely enclosed comes to issue also due to reflective waves. Now despite the fact that you can (according to some brilliant individuals) drop bombs on a fault by the hundreds and see no earthquake... you cannot guarantee with any certainty that pressure waves of the intensity we are talking about would have zero effect. This is a problem of force and resonance but not of direct force and not of direct resonance and yes I can see problems forming (it should be obvious). Also the creation of Seiche events within the Gulf would not be limited to pressure waves because surface waves will be driven by pressure waves passing through the thermocline in a non-uniform manner. The reason that this happens (seiche formations) is the effect that varying pressures occur in deep sea water due to differing temperatures depth and salinations. Seiche events could theoretically resonate for days.

This is not just a bad idea its an absolutely horrible concept. Just some happy thoughts to go along with our little oil disaster. 

Did you actually typed that or copy and paste?

[Belial]

There's a coal fire that's been burning under Centralia, Pennsylvania since 1962.

Thats like 30 miles from my house hehe

[EskimoJoe]

This thread got boring after Chalenge's first post 

[grizz441]

Did you actually typed that or copy and paste?

If you sift through all his techno blabble, what he is saying is the sound waves from the nuke would trigger a giant earthquake in the gulf.  This mega tsunami that would develop as result would most likely flood the coasts with a 300 foot wall of water and kill billions of americans in montana.

[oakranger]

If you sift through all his techno blabble, what he is saying is the sound waves from the nuke would trigger a giant earthquake in the gulf.  This mega tsunami that would develop as result would most likely flood the coasts with a 300 foot wall of water and kill billions of americans in montana.

I know what he is saying, just wonder if he actually type up something that technical or copy it from some other web and past it on here. Neither way, it hold a valet point to a certain degree. 

[Saurdaukar]

There's a coal fire that's been burning under Centralia, Pennsylvania since 1962.

Ive been there.

"Creepy" doesn't do it justice.