Paint

[groundfeeder]

Neither one of the tanks in the pictures are "green'.  Neither is the background they are sitting on.


wrongway

Im fairly sure im not color blind.....but i think i see several shades of the color in question

[AWwrgwy]

Im fairly sure im not color blind.....but i think i see several shades of the color in question

I see shades of green too, painted over a tan tank.

"I am saying the game coding needs to be fixed and remove the ability to disable skins on the ground vehicles. "


It's not always that people disable the skins.  If the computer looking at your tank in green camo does not have the skin downloaded it will show the default tan skin.  Some people don't download the skins for whatever reason, no time, don't want em, computer can't handle them, whatever the reason.  Short of the idea of giving us more then green grass or changing default skin it'd be hard to get it "fair".

On the argument of German tanks were historically tan...how is a P-51D fighting a P-38J historically accurate?  Just saying how is one change in the name of game's sake (which HTC has made some of those) going to hurt the game?  We have unlimited LA-7s with the 3 cannon setup (heard it was rare..?) we have unlimited Wirblewinds (wasn't it less then 120 made?).  Just saying one change in the sake of gameplay is hardly a big deal.

I'm all for historical accuracy, but it seems his would be easier to implement then changing terrain colors.

Maybe we need more black P-38s too.  Aparently the "yellow" tanks weren't such a problem fo the Germans that they painted them all that way.

wrongway

[gyrene81]

I see shades of green too, painted over a tan tank.

It's not tan...it's more of a flat chartreuse or drab green. The reason it looks tan is because of the dark green painted over it.

Maybe we need more black P-38s too.  Aparently the "yellow" tanks weren't such a problem fo the Germans that they painted them all that way.

wrongway

They were never "yellow"...the color was a dark khaki that was supposed to blend in with the sand.

Not that I agree with Magnus about changing the ability to turn off other player skins...but the greenish skin would be a better default than the glowing baby poop brown that currently exists.

[jay]

and if people notice in most pictures the germans had a real problem matching there tank camo with the actual ground lol


in my case GV's kinda shimmer (cause my graphic card sucks)

[Guppy35]

It's not tan...it's more of a flat chartreuse or drab green. The reason it looks tan is because of the dark green painted over it.

They were never "yellow"...the color was a dark khaki that was supposed to blend in with the sand.

Not that I agree with Magnus about changing the ability to turn off other player skins...but the greenish skin would be a better default than the glowing baby poop brown that currently exists.

The base color for German Armor was called "Dark Yellow".  You can find photos of basic 'dark yellow" panzers as well as those with  camo of browns and greens added to that 'dark yellow'.  If AH ever adds earlier Panzers, you could go back to the Panzer Grey, but the Tiger and Panzer IV we have would be from the time frame where 'dark yellow' was the base color.

I suggest tracking down Panzer Colors, Panzer Colors II & Panzer Colors III, by Bruce Culver if you want to get some serious detail about German armor paint schemes.

[AWwrgwy]

I suggest tracking down Panzer Colors, Panzer Colors II & Panzer Colors III, by Bruce Culver if you want to get some serious detail about German armor paint schemes.

Possibly in a Library near you (this is kind of cool):  http://www.worldcat.org/title/panzer-colors/oclc/2151459



wrongway

[OOZ662]

I would assume HTC can't just "swap the default for one of the green ones" due to some legality issue. I don't think submitting a skin to this game makes it HTC property. That said, it would make many people happy if the "official" skinner (Greebo? I honestly don't remember) would sit down and make a skin for them. Then again, he'd have to do it again when a graphics update rolled around, not to mention how many stretching and mirroring issues the older models tend to have...

[Greebo]

The only GV i have skinned to date is the Sd Kfz 251. I've done other skins for it including all grey and ones with more green. I would be happy for HTC to substitute one of those for my largely brown default one if players would prefer that.

German vehicle camo went through a number of changes through the war. At the start the standard scheme was dark grey all over. When the Germans invaded Russia the crews found this stuck out like a sore thumb on the brown Russian steppes. A lot of crews even resorted to smearing mud over their vehicles to improve things a bit. Because of this the standard colour was changed to dark yellow in mid 43. Vehicles could also be overpainted with dark green and/or red brown paints as needed either by the unit's depot or the vehicle's crew. In early 1945 the scheme changed again. The base colour became dark green and the dark yellow and red brown could be overpainted.

The problem with the default schemes is that most of the German vehicles we have are from the period when dark yellow was the base colour. The version of dark yellow on the default tanks seems a bit off to me though, too bright.

[fbWldcat]

If my memory serves correctly, weren't some tanks and jeeps painted pink? Heard something about the PINK PANTHER (not the cartoon). But the color pink was an excellent camoflauge at night time. Anyone else heard of this?

[gyrene81]

The base color for German Armor was called "Dark Yellow".  You can find photos of basic 'dark yellow" panzers as well as those with  camo of browns and greens added to that 'dark yellow'.  If AH ever adds earlier Panzers, you could go back to the Panzer Grey, but the Tiger and Panzer IV we have would be from the time frame where 'dark yellow' was the base color.

I suggest tracking down Panzer Colors, Panzer Colors II & Panzer Colors III, by Bruce Culver if you want to get some serious detail about German armor paint schemes.

Ok just for you Guppy.

Panzer Colors 1934-1945

1939 - OKH (Oberkommando des Heeres) orders RAL 7021 - Dark Grey factory applied all vehicles

March 1941 - OKH orders RAL 8000 (base color 75% coverage) / RAL7008 (camoflage markings) for N. African vehicles

March 1942 - OKH orders RAL 8020 (base color 75% coverage) and RAL 7021 to replace the previous colors in N. Africa

August 1942 - OKH orders RAL 7021 on Tigers at Eastern Front

December 1942 - OKH orders Tigers shipped to Tunis be painted RAL 7021 with thin coat of RAL 6003 overspray

February 1943 - OKH orders RAL 7028 as base color for all vehicles - camoflage patterns were RAL 6003/RAL 8017 or RAL 8002

October 1944 - OKH orders RAL 8012 as factory base color with RAL 7028 or RAL 8017 for markings

November 1944 - OKH orders RAL 6003 as base color with RAL 7028 and RAL 8017 for markings

After that shortages effected factory paints and RAL 7028 was factory base color with variations in colors for markings.


RAL 7028


Maybe it's my monitor but that really does not look like a dark yellow and I have not been able to find consistent WWII German RAL color charts, one even shows 3 variations of that color.

[xavrikx]

Camouflage is a brilliant thing isn't it?

[Guppy35]

Ok just for you Guppy.

Panzer Colors 1934-1945

1939 - OKH (Oberkommando des Heeres) orders RAL 7021 - Dark Grey factory applied all vehicles

March 1941 - OKH orders RAL 8000 (base color 75% coverage) / RAL7008 (camoflage markings) for N. African vehicles

March 1942 - OKH orders RAL 8020 (base color 75% coverage) and RAL 7021 to replace the previous colors in N. Africa

August 1942 - OKH orders RAL 7021 on Tigers at Eastern Front

December 1942 - OKH orders Tigers shipped to Tunis be painted RAL 7021 with thin coat of RAL 6003 overspray

February 1943 - OKH orders RAL 7028 as base color for all vehicles - camoflage patterns were RAL 6003/RAL 8017 or RAL 8002

October 1944 - OKH orders RAL 8012 as factory base color with RAL 7028 or RAL 8017 for markings

November 1944 - OKH orders RAL 6003 as base color with RAL 7028 and RAL 8017 for markings

After that shortages effected factory paints and RAL 7028 was factory base color with variations in colors for markings.


RAL 7028
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Maybe it's my monitor but that really does not look like a dark yellow and I have not been able to find consistent WWII German RAL color charts, one even shows 3 variations of that color.

They call the color dark yellow.  Not sure what else to say.  The camo is clearly lighter then the Sherman.  Image below of Tiger I and Panzer IV in France.  Put a Sherman up against that and the Sherman is gonna be darker color.  Throw in fading paint and the mix of the paint used, who knows.  The AH Panzers appear to be defaulted to these kind of colors though.

[gyrene81]

They call the color dark yellow.  Not sure what else to say.  The camo is clearly lighter then the Sherman.  Image below of Tiger I and Panzer IV in France.  Put a Sherman up against that and the Sherman is gonna be darker color.  Throw in fading paint and the mix of the paint used, who knows.  The AH Panzers appear to be defaulted to these kind of colors though.

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Yeah the Sherman used standard U.S. Olive Drab as did most U.S. military vehicles with slight variations. From the information I found it wouldn't be out of line to ask that the default skins for the Panzer and the Tiger be changed to RAL 6003 with RAL 7028 and RAL 8017 markings.







It makes sense with the terrains that are used in the MAs.