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Offline rogwar

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Health insurance craziness
« on: May 21, 2010, 02:25:19 PM »
I generally always see this sort of thing in the "explanation of benefits" statement but not to this extent. Luckily I've got great employer provided insurance through a major, nationwide company.

This is mad. It was for the blood tests and such done during a recent annual physical.

Amount billed: $321

What my plan paid: $33

Discount: $287.36

What I owe: $0

What the hell kind of weird business model is this anyway?
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Offline Blackwulf

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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2010, 12:17:48 PM »
The lab (and Doctor, etc. ) are under contract with your insurance carrier.  The contract requires them to accept payment for various services based on a rate schedule, and cannot bill the patient for the balance.  If the doctor or whoever, is outside the network, then you probably will see a balance bill as they are not being held to that contract.
The doctor writes the difference off on his taxes as a loss, so is able to accept these terms without losing his shirt, as they generally grossly overcharge with this in mind anyway.
The problem is if someone doesn't have insurance, they get hit with the huge charges that were originally intended for milking this system.  This is how medical insurance has turned our old system into a money machine and made the cost of medical care go sky high. 
Of course when people complain about the cost of medicine in the U.S. they get a a cock and bull story about covering the cost of research, expensive equipment, etc. but this is what is really going on.
A similar system raises the cost of medicine as well, with the pharmaceutical companies lowering costs for many foreign companies, or their government subsidizing it; as the insurance scheme doesn't exist there.


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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2010, 06:16:58 PM »
     Rogwar, I feel your pain brother.  I've had two different COBRA providers and have had a TON of
medical expenses over the past year.  I've had 7 outpatient surgeries and 2 inpatient ones.  The strange
part is that the outpatient ones are for my dialysis access in my arms and the inpatient ones were for
hip surgery and a left foot amputation, but the costs are similar for both kinds  :rolleyes:

     I wouldn't mind the bills so much if the nurses and doctors were being paid better, but it all seems to
go to "providers".  :huh
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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2010, 07:45:08 PM »
See Rule #14
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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2010, 09:54:21 PM »
I generally always see this sort of thing in the "explanation of benefits" statement but not to this extent. Luckily I've got great employer provided insurance through a major, nationwide company.

This is mad. It was for the blood tests and such done during a recent annual physical.

Amount billed: $321

What my plan paid: $33

Discount: $287.36

What I owe: $0

What the hell kind of weird business model is this anyway?

Almost all insurances cover your annual check ups (they called 'prevantative' stuff) fully. Blood work included.

However, if you get more bloodwork done, you will have to pay for it.

I had 5 blood tests done a couple years ago. insurance covered the first one.. the other 4 I got nailed for. Despite the fact they were done by the doctor because the first 4 couldn't find what was wrong..the fifth one did. Go figure.

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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2010, 08:40:18 AM »
See Rule #14
« Last Edit: May 23, 2010, 10:21:26 AM by Skuzzy »
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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2010, 08:44:12 AM »
umm ... mean uk wage £30k, Tax & NI £615pcm, NHS is 18% of public spending, so NHS costs £110/month for someone with average wage.

you're seriously telling me the most expensive insurance policy in the US costs less than $160 a month? :huh

     Heck, I'm paying alot more than that for COBRA benefits even after the government helps me out.
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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2010, 09:15:15 AM »
the real figure is actually alot less than that because of the way Tax & NI scales are structured and the way funds are allocated, I just did a basic calc. for a £30k salary figure on closer to $110 per month for the NHS.

I ran some numbers when the healthcare thing started just out of interest and found that I could take out BUPA insurance (the most comprehensive plan without the homeopathic nonsense), plus pay my contribution for the NHS through tax (at a higher rate than above) and it would still be alot cheaper than private healchcare would be in the US for me ...

I'll leave you to figure out why (the invoice in the OP is a hint). Put it this way, I know a few doctors and a surgeon and none of em have a ferrari parked in their drive ...


edit: I also know a Smithkline Beecham exec (big pharma!), he drives an aston. so some things are the same both sides of the pond ...
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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2010, 09:54:01 AM »
I was really trying to point out the craziness of the business model and pricing structure...the vast difference between the medical service provider's "list" price and negotiated/contracted rate. Only paid $15 for the complete physical including lab work.

It's similar to when I went for a sleep study the other day. The list price was like $1,200. Insurance paid a contracted rate of $550 and me $15.

Talk about a weird pricing structure!

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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2010, 12:35:47 PM »
I'm not sure why my last post was deleted.  I didnt post anything about race, religion, or politics.   :headscratch:

Health care costs boil down to this: we either pay from our own pockets to private health insurers, or we pay out the wahzoo AND our our own pockets via taxes to pay for a government run health care system.  The costs are big time more expensive when the gubmint takes control.   
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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2010, 12:46:48 PM »
yeah ditto :headscratch:
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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2010, 12:50:58 PM »
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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2010, 12:57:34 PM »
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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2010, 01:45:37 PM »
I'm not sure why my last post was deleted.  I didnt post anything about race, religion, or politics.   :headscratch:

Health care costs boil down to this: we either pay from our own pockets to private health insurers, or we pay out the wahzoo AND our our own pockets via taxes to pay for a government run health care system.  The costs are big time more expensive when the gubmint takes control.   

Allllrighty then.

Clue rakes, asle 5.

Didn't you blame everything in your OP on a certain individual?  Some sort of public figure?



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Re: Health insurance craziness
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2010, 01:57:02 PM »
      Insurance companies rule the world.  :devil They possess more cash, assets and land than any other
      group on earth, they also have a lobbyist base the population of most small countries. You will do what
      they want, when they want, how they want !  :cheers: