Great FSO

[FiLtH]

    I havent had that much fun in an fso in awhile. I think it would be fun to switch sides and do 3 more frames.

[AKP]

Outstanding! Had a great time <S> All!

[Twizzty]

    I havent had that much fun in an fso in awhile. I think it would be fun to switch sides and do 3 more frames.

+1

[Viper61]

Have to agree that was one of the funnest FSO's I've been in.  Just as much fun as the BOB FSO's or 8th AF FSO's.  I agree with FiLtH I wont mind switching sides and running it again.

Setup crew did a great job on the plane sets given what we have available.  Stoney great job moving squads after frame 1 to balance it out as well.

I hated the 20 min flight to get into sector but the 30 min running gun battles made it all worth it.

Nicely done guys, nicely done <S>

[daddog]

I have been so busy and out of town I could only fly in the last frame, (last night) but had a good time to be sure.
Stoney, TracerX, 68Lurch thanks for the hours in toward our fun.

[Big Rat]

Let me start by saying I appreciate what the setup teams do for the FSO's, if it wasn't for them I doubt I'd still be flying around here.  But to call this a "Great FSO" is too much for to sit back and take in.  Did you look at the stats for all 3 frames it's pushing a 3:1(2.766:1 actual) kill ratio in favor of the allies, I'd like to know what other FSO ever pushed a kill ratio like that for one side?  I'm sure it was a lot of fun for the allied squads, but I'm sure a lot of squads like mine that flew axis couldn't wait for it to be over.  So if you think it's a Great FSO, that's fine, but I think you are ignoring all the stats and facts of how this FSO actually was.  Now again I'm not criticizing the setup team here, I know they have a hard job of balancing this out and it sometimes doesn't work.  I'm only critisizing calling something this lopsided as "Great".

 
BigRat

[FiLtH]

   BigRat, as allied it was what you play FSO for. Lots of targets..and they all cant run away.  Why do you think I suggested switching sides and trying it again?

[Big Rat]

   BigRat, as allied it was what you play FSO for. Lots of targets..and they all cant run away.  Why do you think I suggested switching sides and trying it again?

Filth,

No, I don't play FSO for lots of kills. Far from it.  But if this was a balanced FSO, there wouldn't be any need to switch sides and trying it again.  My point was that for this to be a "Great FSO" there would have been a question to the outcome and both sides had a chance to win.  I'd love for this to be switched sides and go at it again, then it would be a balanced FSO, and if the outcome was the same it's our own fault.  So my question goes back to you, why was this a "Great FSO" or should the title of actually been "Great FSO for us", in which case I wouldn't have even posted, becouse I'm sure it was a lot of fun for you and your squad.  No hostility toward you Filth, just consider "Great FSO" in the title line, to meaning a well balanced, struggle to the end, where the outcome of the battle is always in doubt.  This is where I'm disagreeing.

 
BigRat 

[gyrene81]

As much as I would want to agree with BigRat...that idea that the kill ratio made it "less than fun" is a large bite of b.s. He wouldn't have brought it up if the tables were turned. It was a challenge for us Axis players for sure. The substitute aircraft for the Allies made it more difficult just because the capabilities are better than what the Japanese actually encountered in that battle...but that is the nature of the beast in AH since there are a lot of aircraft missing.

Not a "great FSO" but it was very fun. No big deal, there will be another FSO.

[AKP]

Big Rat,

I agree that the outcome was one sided... but as an Axis player for this FSO, it was extremely intense!   And for me, that is why I fly FSO.  I flew Frame 1 and frame 3... both in the B25.  Frame one I was mauled by I-16's, but after I hit my target and was egressing...  So it was a "decent" frame.  But for me... frame 3 was the best of the set.  I picked up a great tail gunner (SnotRckt) after we hit the target, and had a running gunfight for 3/4 of the way back to base with some Brewsters.  It was nail-biting, white-knuckling, chain-smoking fun for the whole family!  I had no idea from one second to the next if it was going to be my last in the air.

My point is... sometimes the sides are going to be unbalanced, and the logs may show a massacre.  But what made it fun was the way it unfolded... which can never be predicted.  I have flown in "balanced" frames that were nothing but boredom.  You just never know how the frame will play out.

And I would be remiss without giving a BIG  to SheGotYa.  Great job as CiC!   

[Nefarious]

I have to agree that it was fun for me too as an Axis Pilot. 

I can also see the frustration as well, I had some pilots who were upset about the outcome of every frame.

I think maybe the Axis needed a bigger advantage pilot wise.

[WWhiskey]

<--- B-25 driver for axis all three frames!
the first one we got to target and got ord off, then got massacred
the second we got massacred at the target
so last night we figured we would see the same thing, the mission was appropriately tagged for me as get it done or get it over with!
a new strategy was devised, go strait to target and face the music, most of my group figured we would be back in the MA within 20 minutes!
We were extremely surprised when we not only hit our target, but also were dragging brewsters that couldn't catch us, the long trip home was as AKP said " A white knuckle ride",
SO for me , at least,,, it was a great  FSO! we left with 6 b-25's and got back home with 4, we lost most if not all of our escorts to combat, but the bombers got thru!
<<S>> to those who flew last night knowing they would die, you all did A wonderful job worthy of any award that could be given for the effort!

[Big Rat]

As much as I would want to agree with BigRat...that idea that the kill ratio made it "less than fun" is a large bite of b.s. He wouldn't have brought it up if the tables were turned. It was a challenge for us Axis players for sure. The substitute aircraft for the Allies made it more difficult just because the capabilities are better than what the Japanese actually encountered in that battle...but that is the nature of the beast in AH since there are a lot of aircraft missing.

Not a "great FSO" but it was very fun. No big deal, there will be another FSO.

gyrene81,

Did you read my post? The kill ratio wasn't brought up as the fun factor, it was brought up to show how unbalanced.   "He wouldn't have brought it up if the tables were turned." obviously you don't know me and I don't see you helping in the TA, so I don't know you, so I won't make judgements on you like you did me.  If it's a lopsided battle either way I normally don't post, reread my posts and then ask me again why I posted this at all.  The answer is in the writing.  If you need the answer, I was simply disagreeing with the idea of this being a "Great FSO" in my oppinion for the reasons I stated earlier.  Now having fun in the FSO is the important thing, and if you did great, that's the idea. But isn't a "Great FSO", both balanced and fun? It's a extremely  hard balance to strike, and I can only remember a few really great FSO's, yea I had fun in most but only a few did I also question if we won our lost or vice versa.  So again my only gripe is the use of the word "Great" for this FSO.  Again no offence to the setup teams, it's not like you can really pre-run one of these things and check on how the side balancing will be. You simply make your best educated guess and let it go, and it is what it is

 
BigRat

[shegotya]

First a big WTG to the names in lights for Axis!!

Axis stats:
Pilots: 239 Kills: 77 Assists: 54
Objects Destroyed: 38 Deaths: 141 Landed: 49
Bailed: 4 Captured: 34 Crashed: 12
Ditched: 3 Disco'd: 15
Top Pilots: Objects Destroyed
   AKNoT (Arabian Knights): 2
   BudGray (Duxford Wing RAF): 2
   BLKSHP88 (VF 15 Satans Playmates II): 2
   Gldnbb (LCA): 2
   BigB (332nd Flying Mongrels): 2
   Bannor (~ ~ ~FATE~ ~ ~): 2
   catfish (95th/FS \"BoneHeads\"): 2
Top Pilots: Kills
   COLT44 (Sick Puppies): 4
   kansas2 (332nd Flying Mongrels): 3
   scooner (9GIAP VVS RKKA): 3
   Muttman (Sick Puppies): 3
   tuk151 (WD40): 2
   quietman (353rd Fighter Group): 2
   Jonah (Kommando Nowotny): 2
Top Squads: Objects Destroyed
   VF 15 Satans Playmates II: 11
   Arabian Knights: 7
   ~ ~ ~FATE~ ~ ~: 4
Top Squads: Kills
   Sick Puppies: 9
   332nd Flying Mongrels: 8
   III/JG11: 6


Next a big   to the FSO CM TEAM for without them there would be others we may not like! Our time is priceless so to volunteer it for others enjoyment is definitely appreciated.

I have to admit I peered in here covering one eye and squinting with the other but, I am glad to see the posts that have been made. I can agree with them all which is odd but, true.


My percentage of needing a "balanced" FSO is low since as stated already even the perfectly balanced ones have had personal flaws. I say personal since I think everyone has there personal preferences on how detailed they want the event to go. From the most laid back to the most technical it makes a great event for sure!


I am one of the laid back FSOers and there because of you and my squaddies.


Last night was kind of like dinner at that "one" relatives house:

You know you have to go to their house (SEA)
You got your spouse/children backing you up (SQUAD)
You know your gonna be broken and battered if not damaged before getting out (PW, Dead Stick etc.)
but,
Your spouse/children get you home or at least stay by your side (SQUAD)

Sometimes it ends and there is a break and sometimes your kid stays (FRAME 1)

Then you have to go back and get your little one and do it all over again (FRAME 2 & 3)



 

And I would be remiss without giving a BIG   to SheGotYa.  Great job as CiC!  

Thanks!


Was fun for me. I had alot of opinions to tweak the things I could so to those who did that for me THANK YOU!  

 

[TUK]

Wd40 got their Arses handed to them again by super high Brewsters'.  However, we understand  that it goes that way sometimes.  I will bandage my little children up, wash them, then bring them back for the next one...
Salute to The Satan's Playmates. We have enjoyed your company, and communication through frames 2 and 3.  
  To all cic's and Fso Staff..