Rangoon ?

[shreck]

Was the brewster allowed in such numbers to try and balance the fight vs the A6m2 since we do not have the ki43?

It seems to me it may have been a little more realistic to use F4F instead of the brew!  

and how about the JU88 to simulate the Bettys?     Just wondering!

[AKP]

There really isnt a good sub for the Betty.  The 25C and the 88 are both undergunned compared to the Betty... especially when you take into account the 20mm tail gun the Betty had.  Also, the Betty was slower than the B25C, and even more so in comparison to the 88.  However, the 25 and the 88 could carry more ordinance.

JU88 Maximum speed: 317 mph
B25J Maximum speed: 275 mph (didnt find speed data on the 25C, but it would be close)
G4M Maximum speed: 265 mph

[gyrene81]

Was the brewster allowed in such numbers to try and balance the fight vs the A6m2 since we do not have the ki43?

No, it was determined that the Finnish B239 was equal in performance to the actual F2As that were there. I had to do some digging but I found out there was mostly F2A-2s and B339Ds...they were outclassed by the Zero according to every account available.

[Delirium]

Maybe it was historically, but the Brew we have in AH is far superior to the Zeke.

[Stoney]

No, it was determined that the Finnish B239 was equal in performance to the actual F2As that were there.

No, it was determined that the Finnish B239 was closer in performance to the actual Brewsters that were there than the F4F, which we always used in the past.  The Zeke in-game has a heck of a time trying to down the F4F as modelled--the Wildcat is a sponge.  The planes we used were the best representation of what was used historically, relative to what we have available. 

For the OP, the B-25C was used as a substitute for the Ki-21, not the Betty, and the Zeke was used in lieu of the Ki-43.

[wgmount]

Actually, from accounts I've read most of the British Brewsters never made it off the ground. Some were bombed on the ground. But most had engine troubles and there were supply problems with parts.

In the accounts I've read the B 339E could not reach altitudes over 20k due to fuel starvation. It only had a 1,000hp engine and a best climb rate of about 2300 ft a minute. could not perform loops or immelmans and had faulty electric firing solenoids,lack of properly trained pilots, lack of support staff, and utilized airfields that were not easily defended. All these things AH does not model.

The axis got their rear ends kicked, end of story, quit complaining suck it up and move on.

And the Brewster was not a Finnish airplane it designed tested and built in Long Island, New York. The Finns didn't even cal it the Brewster.

Please read about the Sorry Saga of the Brewster.

http://www.warbirdforum.com/saga.htm

Enjoy

[gyrene81]

wgmount, did you drink too much last night or something? NOBODY SAID THE BREWSTER BUFFALO WAS MADE IN FINLAND.

Finland received 43(?) modified F2A-1s which were designated export model B-239E with the R-1820-G5 950HP engine, and their weight was lightened before shipping. That is the Brewster in Aces High.


Sorry Stoney, you know this Brewster debate is going to happen every time it's used in a setup, especially against the A6M2.

[haasehole]

  the plane set did seem unmatched     we flew a6m2 and were out classed and outnumbered but or efforts wern't in vain as the bombers got to target untouched

[Vulcan]

  the plane set did seem unmatched     we flew a6m2 and were out classed and outnumbered but or efforts wern't in vain as the bombers got to target untouched

tbh I think many axis suffered from the 'I'm in a zeke, if I pull the stick to my nuts I'll be fine' syndrome. Those who flew as a team, and used the zekes superior e-retention did well. There are now other aircraft that can turn on a dime in AH, people need to realize that.

[RSLQK186]

tbh I think many axis suffered from the 'I'm in a zeke, if I pull the stick to my nuts I'll be fine' syndrome. Those who flew as a team, and used the zekes superior e-retention did well. There are now other aircraft that can turn on a dime in AH, people need to realize that.

TY. I was a Brew and fought an A6M to the deck in frame 3.
He came in hot on me with alt. I hit the brakes and stayed behind him as he slowed the fight more and more. Could not get a sustained solution and the fight got lower and lower until the trees were the next stop.
Then he got the bright idea to out climb me and roll at the top back down on me. That's when the tables turned. The sad part is another Zeke came in and tore through me. The first guy had me in in the next turn or two. All he had to do is keep his composure.

In frame 2 I had a pair out climb me several times up high. Instead of trying to hang on my prop and let the 50s fly, I would roll and reverse Emil. This put me lower, faster and in the opposite direction than expected. As they closed with acceleration, I hit the brakes and took the overshoot shot. This continued to the deck and merged with another fight. None of the Axis survived this bout due to flat turning. I rammed a D3A thinking he would go nose up when he did not.

[shreck]

Hmm, don't think I was complaining    Actually I was allied and flew the brew in frame 2 and chose the p40b in this frame. I agree with Del the brew we have is better than the zeke. Frame 2 with the brew was very easy and effortless, the last frame in the p40b was a whole different story and much much more of a challenge. I found it very odd that in our squad the brews were unlimited and the p40 was capped at 9   Oh and all but mystic and I chose the brew! <----  that right there should tell ya somethin!

  If this scenario was to to replayed I think if the brewsters were limited it would be more realistic!


I'm actually a fan of accuracy rather than fairness even if it seems insurmountable!    



  wow I have no idea how that posted that way

[gyrene81]

LOL Shreck, you have quote marks messed up that's how it got posted that way.

[saltee]

I'm actually a fan of accuracy rather than fairness even if it seems insurmountable! 

Amen Shreck!