FW-190 question

[BaldEagl]

BaldEagl, if I may...

I've also seen the 190A5, A8, and D9 flown in a slashing style with good effect. They seem to start with a shallow dive to build up some speed, race through a group of cons, and use their E to zoom back up. For some reason, the A5 seems to be most succesful at this (I guess it would be due to increased manuverabilty alowing them to get guns to bear on a target easier). Is this a recomended tactic, or would I be screwing myself over with this?

Usually I fly low and jump spits who blows his E turning to HO me (which is easily avoidable IMO).

That's what I meant by "Start fast, preferably with alt.  Look to B'n'Z."  My style of BnZ doesn't include long extensions.  IMO if you let the guy rebuild E before your second pass you're doing it wrong.

[jdbecks]

Not thinking very hard then, are you?   


Bet I could name a few

 

I could name a whole squad 

[Saurdaukar]

For some reason, the A5 seems to be most succesful at this (I guess it would be due to increased manuverabilty alowing them to get guns to bear on a target easier).

Slashing attacks work just fine.  

Like the 109; the 190 (especially at low alt) is well suited to attacking from a relative vertical plain; regardless of whether its position is above or below a target.  In such a situation; I think you will find that most actually prefer to attack from below as the over-nose visibility problem is less of a factor and the zoom ability is above average; allowing one, in the event of an unsuccessful pass, to quickly wing over for another pass from above; all while the target thinks you will continue to "extend" like a more typical 190 driver.

This brings us to the next point.

I cant speak much to the Dora or 152; but the A5's primary attribute, so far as I have witnessed, is that very few cartoon pilets expect any 190 to press an attack.

Within 540 degrees; the A5 can turn surprisingly well and its engine is well suited to the MA; peak performance being made from the deck to about 4,500ft, IIRC.  Granted it's not a late-war uber-bird but its easy to see how it dominated the comparable Allied A/C of the day.

Change of direction is superb thanks to the vomit-inducing rate of roll.  Once you learn how to use that advantage, it can help mitigate the risk of engaging a plane with better sustained turn and/or low-speed performance.

Leave the MG/FF's at home.  Ignoring the small magazine and the poor ballistics, the advantages of losing all that outboard weight far eclipse the reduced lethality.

Keep some E handy, the aggression high, the SA at peak and the A5 will surprise.  

[PJ_Godzilla]

There aren't a lot of good pilots that gravitate towards the 190 series anymore.  Pervert and Drediock can dogfight the 190D9's very well.  IrishOne and Mazz are very good in the 190A5s.  m00t(inactive though) and myself (maybe Sukov emerging?) in the Ta152.  KillnU owns in the 190A8.  Off the top of my head I can't think of any other Focke Wulf guys that are active.

I think Jonah makes forays in the A8. He's fairly good in it, judging by his overall rank. I'd need to check his stats to see how he fares in the type. All I recall for certain is getting out, "watch the 190..." <boom>
I saw him vaporize a squaddie in an FM2.

I took an A8 up not too long ago to kill a box o lancs. I got killed on landing by SHawk in a Corsair. It's nto such a bad bird. It just can't turn.

[jdbecks]

Its a fantastic plane to fly, alot of people dont know how to make good use of its traits

[fbWldcat]

[Big salute to FbDraggon]
 {Never give up on getting better and better in your 190 man. I think some day you can make the plane synonymous with your name}

FBDragon is already synonymous with the 190. He lands 190 kills all the time when he is on.

[Nemisis]

IMO, the 190A5 is among the most dangerous planes in the game when flown well. I would personally rank it up there with the P-51, La-7, and P-38.

[Wagger]

The 190A-8 is an effective plane as long as the person flying it keeps it within its limit.  It takes paitients and skill to fight it well. Thorsim is one who exclusively flies the A8.  He is very effective in it and shows what can be accomplished with the A8 when it if flown well.

[Plazus]

Lets not forget that the A5 can outclimb the A8 in most cases. When I fly the A5, I generally fly in low, then use vertical maneuvers to counter those tighter turning spits and 109s. Also, if you have an E advantage, you can rope your targets up in the vertical and use the hammerhead to get back on your opponent. Granted, the 190 isnt the best plane with hammerheads, but does surprisingly well for a single engine aircraft. It just takes a gentle hand on the stick. I find that I can rape the Spit16 a lot better in the A5 than just about any other aircraft.

I had a fight in the A5 against a Spit16 driver a few months ago. One of the best fights I had at that time. We were constantly remerging after struggling to get an angle on eachother for a deflection shot. Eventually the Spit driver was able to get D200 yards off of my tail and stay there. By utilizing my roll rate, I was able to force the guy to overshoot. I was so low to the ground, and slow, that my tailwheel bounced off of the turf as I was pulling up into him as I was shooting his belly. I wish I had the video to share with you guys, but stupid me, I forget to film my sorties. 

[PJ_Godzilla]

So, Plazus, does this then mean that you don't share the view that the 190 is a "lead sled", "poorly modelled" or "overmatched" by the Spits?

I'm thinking that such an account lends credence, combined with the known skill levels of early-war LW pilots, to the British fear of the FW on appearance.

For my own part, I hav elittle stick time in the A-5 but can tell you that nothing - and I mean nothing - can pull a transient break or snap roll like one. Such a thing will screw up your aim and possibly ruin your day. However, for every FW I've seen flown well in the MA, I've seen 2-3 flown like a conventional turnfighter. Usually, I'll seek out the latter, since they piss away their very real advantage and put their opponent in the driver's seat.

[Plazus]

Godzilla,

I feel that the 190 in game is a very capable aircraft. Particularly the A5 and D9. I personally dont like the A8 as it feels like a "lead sled" as one might put it. The A8's high altitude performance is inferior to the A5, despite the A8s speed advantage at low/medium alts. When I hear people whine about the FW's flight model, I simply tune them out because they dont know how to fight in one. The key is roll rate. I personally think roll rate, coupled with climb, is way better than a "turn 'n burn" type aircraft with those traits.

The A5 is superior to the A8 in rate of roll, turn, and climb; and lacks in top speed. The A8 is heavier, rugged, faster, and has more firepower; and lacks in acceleration and just about everything else in the manueverability category. I have seen some people fly both models in the MAs, and quite frankly, the A5 seems to be the better flown aircraft of the two models. I find a lot of people who fly the A8 usually have the heaviest gun package and HO everything in sight. Whereas, I see more A5s flown down low in the tight "knife fights" that I like to get myself into.

[PJ_Godzilla]

You make me want to spend more time in the A-5. I've done a good deal of time with th d-9 and the 109s but have done little with the a-5. Well flown, they are certainly a handful.

[Nemisis]

The A5 is a great aircraft, and at least second best for air to air work of the 190's, at least in my oppinion.

One time, I got in a fight with this P-47D40. He kept trying to BnZ me, while I was doing my best to avoid his passes. He eventually gave that up and tried to get on my 6. It was one hell of a fight, neither of us could get on the others 6. Regretfully, an La7 tore in and shot him out of the sky before we could determin the winner.

[whipster22]

The ki-84 rolls like a Fw.190 and turns better, better climber (non-zoom) and turns better than those darn spits


caparison(vs A-5)  http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php

please tell me if link is broken 

[Nemisis]

Your Ki-84 just barely outclimbs the 190, is just 4mph faster on the deck, is out rolled by the 190's and is VASTLY inferior in diving. Also its just about made of cardboard, even .30's are enough to scare that thing.


Doesn't sound like much of an improvment, especially concidering the drop in firepower you get from A5 and A8, and the drop in preformance from the D9.