FW-190 question

[ACE]

There aren't a lot of good pilots that gravitate towards the 190 series anymore.  Pervert and Drediock can dogfight the 190D9's very well.  IrishOne and Mazz are very good in the 190A5s.  m00t(inactive though) and myself (maybe Sukov emerging?) in the Ta152.  KillnU owns in the 190A8.  Off the top of my head I can't think of any other Focke Wulf guys that are active.

Doom is a beast IMO

[pervert]

Best of the 190s in MA 190D without a doubt, requires a completely different mindset from the normal to fight in it, you can turn it yes but thats not what its good at, its a counter-puncher. I suppose you could call it roll fighting?? A lot of people don't have the concept down of a roll being a 3D manoeuvre, the higher the speed the more ground you can cover through out a manoeuvre to avoid guns, it also has the added bonus of using less E than yanking the stick back.

A5 A8 F8 all don't have the engine power to replace E quickly enough to maintain the speed they need to perform in the MA. Its not a huge difference but its significant enough to get you killed as the fight progresses.

http://www.4shared.com/file/XySMEafd/190evasivesvsmany.html


In terms of skill to fly right, I used to think it was the K4 but the Dora snips it to first place although its a complete different fighting style. If you screw up in a fight in a Dora your dead, as satisfying but more challenging than a K4 to fly properly.

[MjTalon]

Outstanding evasive flying Pervert.
 

[Letalis]

I'm a bigot when it comes to AH aircraft, never wanted to fly Axis but woe of woes I like BOTH the A5 and the Ki84. When it comes down to it I have more time in and more of a thing for the A5. Better instrument layout, 9minutes of wep and more bullets to make more things go boom. I also think the A5 is the more survivable of the two (IMHO) with the 84's lack of dive speed and deflection shooting potential (both gun vis and lighter ammo load) it gets stuck more in-plane with the spits while the A5 can BnZ the Spit 16 from several thousand feet above and still outrun the Spixteen around 5-6k while it egresses with wep that will STILL outlast the perturbed survivors. I hate that I like the A5 but when I get tired of my 47's abysmal acceleration it's on.  Plus it's sexy.

[Nemisis]

The key to using the 47 is to start with some alt. Nose over and I guarentee it will accelerate quite nicely.

[PJ_Godzilla]

The key to using the 47 is to start with some alt. Nose over and I guarentee it will accelerate quite nicely.

I give you the P-47:

[kilo2]

I give you the P-47: (Image removed from quote.)

[Letalis]

I give you the P-47: (Image removed from quote.)

MMM... look at all that chocolatey goodness!

[Nemisis]

I take it you think little of the P-47, Godzilla.

[PJ_Godzilla]

I take it you think little of the P-47, Godzilla.

No, no... I acknowledge that some people can look at an image and see chocolatey goodness while my own eyes see huge, inflatable turds.

The '47 just isn't my style. It seems to be able to maneuver supremely well in a high-speed dive, to pack a wallop, and to be able to take big damage. However, when I compare it to the g-14's ability to climb away from trouble or turn (albeit better nose down sans flaps or with flaps upward), it just feels unnatural. It takes a good high-speed shooter to use the Bolt. I'm not that guy. I'm, in fact, a lousy shot and am desperately working on Hartmann's idea of gunnery. If I could land just 5% of my shots, I'd have something much better going on here.

[Nemisis]

I'm only a fair shot at best, but my formula for leading planes at high speed/high deflection is to use twice as much as you think you need, and work from there. Has yet to fail me (I get on target within a few seconds). I would have a much better accuracy percentage if I didn't blaze away at low flying aircraft with a tank's pintil gun.

[Letalis]

I've found that it is often a good idea when BnZing in a larger engagement to try to be spot on (of course) but if the tracers fall aft so much the better, your quarry is "certain" (there's always that guy) to take evasives when he sees tracers flash by IN FRONT of him. It should tell him 3 things. 1. "Golly I'm getting shot at." 2. You as the shooter have the capability for proper lead. 2. He must now get "out of plane" w you because staying in-plane is suicide- thus he should roll his lift vector away from yours.  "Walking" tracers  from behind is not good on ammo mileage but this approach can do two things for you besides perhaps preserving the element of surprise. 1. "Spraying noob."  2. "He doesn't have sufficient lead." This train of thought might make your target stay in-plane and continue a turn that you are able to tighten leaving you with only 1 axis to correct.

And the 47 is a beautiful aircraft IMO.  It is every bit as much a shooter's plane as it is a survivor, maybe more so.  I can't think of any other plane in the game that can take so many shots in an engagement from so far out from so many angles as the 47.  Climbing out of danger is preferable but the 47 loses a lot of new "friends" in a dive. The 109 only loses parts

[bj229r]

I think G14 compresses about the worst of the 109's, what I usually try to do in jug is get him to follow me down in dive (assuming he came in high, which is typical) I can get that much done, I'm hitting 475-500, I KNOW he's compressed bigger than crap 1k behind me..pulling straight up and rolling back in...gives him too much time to recover, and he eventually zooms up to low earth orbit and I've lost my one advantage...I'm gonna try chopping throttle, 1 notch flaps ...corkscrewing until he hopefully passes me. (REALLY need to DA this at high alt base)

[Nemisis]

bj, this is about 190's not 109's


And letalis, its not a sure thing that he will evade if he sees tracers infront of him. If I see a spit turning get his guns on me (me on the deck, spit 1-2k above me flying in the opposite direction) I know that I'm safe (flying my P-51 or la-7) that I'm safe if I can survive his inital shot, as he won't have the speed or energy to catch me.


About the only time I would evade is if I see its a 110, speed demon, 190A8, or 4x cannon armed plane, as my chances of surviving his attack, or out running him in the case of the low alt speed demons, drops.

[Letalis]

And letalis, its not a sure thing that he will evade if he sees tracers infront of him. If I see a spit turning get his guns on me (me on the deck, spit 1-2k above me flying in the opposite direction) I know that I'm safe (flying my P-51 or la-7) that I'm safe if I can survive his inital shot, as he won't have the speed or energy to catch me.


About the only time I would evade is if I see its a 110, speed demon, 190A8, or 4x cannon armed plane, as my chances of surviving his attack, or out running him in the case of the low alt speed demons, drops.

No he may not- either due to target fixation or natural selection- I merely said it was in his best interests. As for the narrow criteria for "when I will evade" I was  till I reread the "P-51 or La-7" bit...oh the joys of speed.