BF 109G-10 back

[2bighorn]

Too many, in my opinion.     If I wanted to be called fuzz I'd have picked the gameID fuzzman.

Prove it. I bet you just misspelled fuzz at account creation 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fuze, check the pronunciation 

Yeah, check it. Fuzz sounds like misspelled fuze. 
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fuzz

[Ardy123]

What's wrong with the G-14?

G14 is not like a G6 with a tater. The G6 appears to be balanced differently and has a better turn radius than the g14. The G14 can out climb it and has a much bigger engine. The G14 also accelerates better and is faster.

[STEELE]

OK...The G10.  It's actually lighter than the K4-no wooden tail and quite a few were mg151/20, while at the same time shared identical engine (IIRC).   That being said, it should have better turn radius (especially with the 20), and rate of climb 

[Motherland]

G14 is not like a G6 with a tater. The G6 appears to be balanced differently and has a better turn radius than the g14. The G14 can out climb it and has a much bigger engine. The G14 also accelerates better and is faster.

The Bf 109G-14 has the same engine as the G-6. The only difference between the aircraft modeled in this game, performance wise, is that the G-14 has an MW50 power boost system which boosts performance under WEP. The G-14 is actually worse in all categories under military power.
I would imagine most of the balancing difference is from the MW50 installation.

What's wrong with the G-14?

The G-14 is slower than the G-10, especially at altitude, where the performance of both the G-6 and G-14 is terrible.

[Ardy123]

The Bf 109G-14 has the same engine as the G-6. The only difference between the aircraft modeled in this game, performance wise, is that the G-14 has an MW50 power boost system which boosts performance under WEP. The G-14 is actually worse in all categories under military power.

Kinda, the G14 has a better supercharger...
"By early 1944 tactical requirements resulted in the addition of MW-50 water injection boost and high performance superchargers, boosting engine output to 1,800-2,000 PS" -Wikipedia

The balancing is different because I fly with the 30mm in the G14, which weighs more(and being in the nose makes it a little nose heavy)  and is not available in the G6. Also, the G6 always felt more 'stable' than the G14.

In AH they do have the same speed at mil power, that is correct..
http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php

[EDO43]

The G10 was discussed in another recent thread. Adding the G10 is pointless. Its performance is inferior to the K4 and was brought to service AFTER the K4 during the war. Bottom line is, if you want uber late war ride, just fly the K4. Or the G14 if your heart desires.

I think the G-10 entered service before the K-4.  The G-14 entered service before the G-10 from what my memory remembers.  

[Karnak]

I think the G-10 entered service before the K-4.  The G-14 entered service before the G-10 from what my memory remembers.  

G-10 entered service shortly after the K-4.  About a month after, if I recall correctly.  Due to that it plugs no holes in AH and a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS would be a much better addition.

[gyrene81]

G-10 entered service shortly after the K-4.  About a month after, if I recall correctly.  Due to that it plugs no holes in AH and a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS would be a much better addition.

In a way it does. At 426mph it's the fastest 109 G series there was and it had a service ceiling of somewhere around 41,000 feet. Didn't it also have the same canopy as the K4? (erla? galland? or something like that) I read somewhere that the G-10 was not generally a production line model but a G-2/G-6 with improvements to bring it to the G-10 standards.

[Karnak]

In a way it does. At 426mph it's the fastest 109 G series there was and it had a service ceiling of somewhere around 41,000 feet. Didn't it also have the same canopy as the K4? (erla? galland? or something like that) I read somewhere that the G-10 was not generally a production line model but a G-2/G-6 with improvements to bring it to the G-10 standards.

True, as I understand it, but it doesn't plug a hole because the K-4 is already available before the G-10 is.  What we need is a Bf109 that can perform at altitude before the K-4.  All the G-10 would add is having two Bf109s that perform at altitude after Nov. 1944.  That leaves all of 1943 and 1944 before Oct. without any Bf109 capable of opposing the American bomber offensive.

[gyrene81]

True, as I understand it, but it doesn't plug a hole because the K-4 is already available before the G-10 is.  What we need is a Bf109 that can perform at altitude before the K-4.  All the G-10 would add is having two Bf109s that perform at altitude after Nov. 1944.  That leaves all of 1943 and 1944 before Oct. without any Bf109 capable of opposing the American bomber offensive.

Hmmm...I was under the impression that G-10 being a non-full production mod came before the K4 and the 190-D9 and the 110G-2 filled that role but I see your point.

Is this what you're thinking about?

G-6 AS:
Fighter/fighter-bomber - increased power by the installation of the DB 605 AS engine (DB 605A engine with the DB 603 supercharger)...increased tail-fin and "Erla-Canopy"...aerodynamically improved cowling.

[Guppy35]

The irony to me is that many of the same guys wanting another 109 variant, would be screaming bloody murder if we were talking about another Spit variant

As with the Spits, I'd suggest that HTC has done a nice job covering the bases with enough 109 variants for all.

[jdbecks]

talking about another Spit variant

We have enough damn spits! we need more 109s!!       

[STEELE]

I would imagine HTC has the G10 on a disk somewhere, maybe a few little FM tweaks and...  Viola! EZ planeset addition.   Yeeeee hawwww

[gyrene81]

The irony to me is that many of the same guys wanting another 109 variant, would be screaming bloody murder if we were talking about another Spit variant

As with the Spits, I'd suggest that HTC has done a nice job covering the bases with enough 109 variants for all.

Nope, 7 Spit variants, 6 109s...need one more... 

[Motherland]

Hmmm...I was under the impression that G-10 being a non-full production mod came before the K4 and the 190-D9 and the 110G-2 filled that role but I see your point.

Is this what you're thinking about?

G-6 AS:
Fighter/fighter-bomber - increased power by the installation of the DB 605 AS engine (DB 605A engine with the DB 603 supercharger)...increased tail-fin and "Erla-Canopy"...aerodynamically improved cowling.

The G-10 was a supplement to the K-4 as operations of the latter were scaled up. It also was a (failed) attempt to standardize production of the G series. They both came into service around the same time.

Didn't it also have the same canopy as the K4?

The Erla-Haube canopy was introduced late in the production of the G-6 series and was generally carried on all subsequent models.

190-D9 and the 110G-2 filled that role

What exactly do you mean by this? The Bf 110G-2 was a twin engined heavy fighter hopelessly obsolete in the day fighter role by the end of 1943, and the Fw 190D-9 didn't enter service until the Fall of 1944.

G-6 AS:
Fighter/fighter-bomber - increased power by the installation of the DB 605 AS engine (DB 605A engine with the DB 603 supercharger)...increased tail-fin and "Erla-Canopy"...aerodynamically improved cowling.

That's not a very good description of the Bf 109G-6/AS... the main advantage that this type had was that the DB605AS engine was actually capable of running competently at high altitudes. Other members of the G series are like bricks with wings above 20-some-thousand-feet.