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Offline Steve

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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #60 on: May 30, 2010, 06:57:13 PM »
To be blunt, you're just plain wrong. No 38, spit8,9,or 16, 109G14, F4u-1A or d, nor any jug (with alt exceptions on some models) has ever caught my 51, or any 51 for that matter, in a flat out race. The 51 outruns the La anywhere above 10k, and the 152 anywhere below about 12k too.Just yesterday, I was racing TopHat's JugM on the deck home RTB. Before long, he was eating my dust.

FWIW:  For the La7 it's about 12k.  The P47M is as fast as the pony, both wepped, on the deck.  If you walked away, he lost WEP or you had a bit of an E head start. The 1A is about as fast on the deck and the K4 is just as fast.  The other planes mentioned aren't as fast.

As for the pony being different, I noticed a difference when the WWI arenas came out. HOWEVER, I always monitored my speed by wind noise and not the instruments so it's possible I have my wind noise set at a different level than I did before the update as I reinstalled the game at that time.  I swear the plane seems to accelerate slower since the WWI update.


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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #61 on: May 30, 2010, 07:16:03 PM »



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If you're not busy could I get a autograph too?  :uhoh
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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2010, 11:39:40 PM »
This thread is about to get very INteresting.  :)
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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #63 on: May 31, 2010, 01:45:53 AM »
I BelIeve that thIs thread wIll
come to a swIft eNd sooN.  :neener:


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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #64 on: May 31, 2010, 03:00:57 PM »
I suppose you could say I am a dedicated 51 pixel pilot, I tend to fly the B more than the D.  I haven't noticed any difference in it.  Still goes around 572 before compression, accelerates like a brick, and still my favorite to fly.  Landed 8 one sortie, followed by 6 the next, so apparently the bullet drop isn't an issue.  I think she's fine.
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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #65 on: May 31, 2010, 06:08:09 PM »
Since all other things are subjective and everyone will argue every which way depending on perception, I leave that to individual perception.

I will say that absolutely, the limits of head movement/vision in the cockpit have changed. That is not perceptual but complete fact and verifiable if you checked the limits before. If you use set views, you aren't going to see it. Perhaps that is not in the limit of "flight model" and doesn't need to be announced. But it does absolutely change the overall capabilities of the combination of pilot/aircraft.

Kill counts don't mean anything. You can get 8+ kills in any plane with the right combination of events and a half decent skill set. Unless you average that over a large number of missions, you aren't going to get meaningful data. A single statistical anomaly doesn't prove anything.

If you look, you can see an effort to limit the Pony's effect on the game in progressive steps. It's ENY has been progressively dropped down until it sits at 5, the same as the 262 and the F4U-4, both of which are perk planes. This is a fact, not subjective. The main reason it isn't perked now, is it would be totally obvious, even to the most blind, if you perked the standard USAAF fighter of the last two years of the war. It's ENY is a tacit admission that the Pony affects the overall arena, like it or not.

The applause by pundits is the evidence of the "politics", admit it or not. Politics exists when you have more than 3 people involved. To say that no one, whoever they are, are not affected by politics is naive. If they go with the group, they are bending to the will of the group. If they go against the group, they are fighting with the politics. Fighting against or going with are both reactions to the political situation, in either case, they are affected by it.
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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #66 on: May 31, 2010, 07:11:48 PM »
1) head positions are the same

2) the PonyD deserves an ENY  of 5

3) the Damned started in 1988 IIRC and that would make THEM the longest operating MMO virtual squadron. (your sig)

You need to hook up w/ some of the Luftwhiners we got here 'cause they are convinced that HiTech has totally over modeled the USA birds and the German rides are under modeled.

(I could be wrong on point #3.  going off memory and it's hazy at best)

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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #67 on: May 31, 2010, 09:12:14 PM »
I can check the head limitations in 2.18 vs 2.19 if anybody likes.  I kept a copy of 2.18 to do old vs new Mosquito testing.

As to the ENY, it has an ENY of 5 because it is the most common airplane in the game, well ahead of even the Spitfire Mk XVI which also has an ENY of 5.
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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #68 on: May 31, 2010, 09:18:45 PM »
I can check the head limitations in 2.18 vs 2.19 if anybody likes.  I kept a copy of 2.18 to do old vs new Mosquito testing.

As to the ENY, it has an ENY of 5 because it is the most common airplane in the game, well ahead of even the Spitfire Mk XVI which also has an ENY of 5.

How about you let some people place big time bets first?

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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #69 on: May 31, 2010, 09:44:00 PM »


3) the Damned started in 1988 IIRC and that would make THEM the longest operating MMO virtual squadron. (your sig)



Lute you are wrong, and you are correct.  Your mind is Hazy, and the Muskies been around since 1985.

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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #70 on: May 31, 2010, 09:59:22 PM »
Lute you are wrong, and you are correct.  Your mind is Hazy, and the Muskies been around since 1985.

Ahhh.. very good.

I was thinkin' the Muskies were the oldest but the 19yrs bit in the sig threw me off.
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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2010, 11:19:28 AM »
Lute you are wrong, and you are correct.  Your mind is Hazy, and the Muskies been around since 1985.

Uh wrong.  I was there when they were created talking with Athos.  They formed in 1991.
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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2010, 01:30:38 PM »
Uh wrong.  I was there when they were created talking with Athos.  They formed in 1991.

Ah-HA!

So I am right again!
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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2010, 01:38:44 PM »
Lute you are wrong, and you are correct.  Your mind is Hazy, and the Muskies been around since 1985.

I was born in  1985   :noid

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Re: What's up with the 51 now?
« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2010, 02:42:08 PM »
Ah-HA!

So I am right again!

Ah Ha! Than I would be wrong again....

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