b29 and b25 taking off carriers

[Nemisis]

Buck, YOU may care little about a 262, but it seems that whenever one comes within D1000, every single player in the vicinity opens up on it.

[lyric1]

lol yes b-25's just like on the movie pearl harbor. and can u change the pilots in the plane so they will look like ben afleck an matt damon....so it will be historicaly correct

Oh goody B25J's are on the way then.

[Buck]

Such as?

Aside from gv supplies and the like.

1. well, vehicle spawns, you can spawn right next to an enemy base or at least close to it.

2. base radar is good, but base flashing ? it starts right as you get into the enemies radar circle.

3. fuel loud outs change in the DA and MA.

4. "a guess" Some planes in aces high don't act like the planes they should be, ( what are you saying ? ) for example a 190 in world war 2 could actually out fly a spitfire, a P-47 thunderbolt was a good dogfighter during world war 2, P-51's could out turn a 109, yet some have told me a 109 out turns a p-51 on aces high. in some ways I've wondered the possibility that htc had to make changes to these aircraft in order to balance gameplay in a dogfight ?

I just wonder is all, please understand, i am only replying at wrongways reply.
i am not in anyway bashing htc or their work that has been done, i am simple pointing out that in some area's this game is not totally historic accurate, and that it may not hurt to add some aircraft such as the b-29 to the game aces high II.

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[gyrene81]

1. well, vehicle spawns, you can spawn right next to an enemy base or at least close to it.

2. base radar is good, but base flashing ? it starts right as you get into the enemies radar circle.

3. fuel loud outs change in the DA and MA.

4. "a guess" Some planes in aces high don't act like the planes they should be, ( what are you saying ? ) for example a 190 in world war 2 could actually out fly a spitfire, a P-47 thunderbolt was a good dogfighter during world war 2, P-51's could out turn a 109, yet some have told me a 109 out turns a p-51 on aces high. in some ways I've wondered the possibility that htc had to make changes to these aircraft in order to balance gameplay in a dogfight ?

I just wonder is all, please understand, i am only replying at wrongways reply.
i am not in anyway bashing htc or their work that has been done, i am simple pointing out that in some area's this game is not totally historic accurate, and that it may not hurt to add some aircraft such as the b-29 to the game aces high II.

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Actually Buck, what you refer to there depends on the model and the situation. The 109E1 could not out fly any Spits after the 5. The 190A4 could not out fly any Spits after the 9. P-51Ds could turn tighter than 109G-6 in a sustained turn fight, but not the 109F-4. But the P-51 was faster than the 109F-4 and its predecessors. The P-47 was a good dog fighter, but not a good turn fighter. No plane could dog fight worth a bean if it was flying heavy with ords or drop tank.

The only way your statement holds true where the aircraft are concerned is in non flight related areas, like the way flaps are deployed and how many degrees of flap were available in real life for specific aircraft vs what is modeled in AH. Random component or weapons failures are not modeled. There are a lot of things not modeled in AH for game play purposes but as far as the flight models are concerned, they are as close as can be had with the available historic documentation that is relied on to reproduce realistic flight characteristics.

[LLogann]

I want everybody in this thread to stop and count to ten please..............




 

[SEseph]

If this topic were a horse, it would have been beaten, killed, beaten, beaten again, and again, an once again for good measure, sent to a glue and dog food factory, tenderized for 6 years, brought out only to be beaten once more for even better measure, turned into glue/ dog food, dropped repeatedly before being accidently shipped to a farmer whose dogs have an affection for glue covered dog food, to then go into the pasture to take a steaming one, trampled for several weeks before becoming grass to be eaten by the next horse in the process. 

I appologize for any gramatical or spelling errors.

[whipster22]

If this topic were a horse, it would have been beaten, killed, beaten, beaten again, and again, an once again for good measure, sent to a glue and dog food factory, tenderized for 6 years, brought out only to be beaten once more for even better measure, turned into glue/ dog food, dropped repeatedly before being accidently shipped to a farmer whose dogs have an affection for glue covered dog food, to then go into the pasture to take a steaming one, trampled for several weeks before becoming grass to be eaten by the next horse in the process.  

I appologize for any gramatical or spelling errors.

spot on  


not editing just say that he's right

[gyrene81]

I want everybody in this thread to stop and count to ten please..............

1...2...3...wait, did you pull the pin on this thing or???

[LLogann]

It's set to 6 seconds, shhhhhhh............   

1...2...3...wait, did you pull the pin on this thing or???

[Buck]

Actually Buck, what you refer to there depends on the model and the situation. The 109E1 could not out fly any Spits after the 5. The 190A4 could not out fly any Spits after the 9. P-51Ds could turn tighter than 109G-6 in a sustained turn fight, but not the 109F-4. But the P-51 was faster than the 109F-4 and its predecessors. The P-47 was a good dog fighter, but not a good turn fighter. No plane could dog fight worth a bean if it was flying heavy with ords or drop tank.

The only way your statement holds true where the aircraft are concerned is in non flight related areas, like the way flaps are deployed and how many degrees of flap were available in real life for specific aircraft vs what is modeled in AH. Random component or weapons failures are not modeled. There are a lot of things not modeled in AH for game play purposes but as far as the flight models are concerned, they are as close as can be had with the available historic documentation that is relied on to reproduce realistic flight characteristics.

You know your history sir, and do very well at explaining it in excellent detail. i however am not fully correct on every detail as you may be. You stated that the 47 was a good dogfighter, but not a good turner, I'm a fan of (Dogfights) history channel, their was a pilot that took on a 109 in a p47 thunderbolt, he out flew a 109 in a flat turn low to the ground, afterwords the 109 left the dogfight as did the p-47 pilot, only due to no ammunition.

The pilot who flew the p47 was in the 366th fighter group. you also said that a p-47 flying heavy with ords and a droptank could not dogfight worth a bean ? 47's took off their fuel-tanks and ords in any kind of dogfight, leaving them ready for any action that would take place.

You can correct me if any of this is wrong.
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[LLogann]

109 doesn't turn all that well..... BUT.... I will say this much....  I have never flown a Thunderbolt IRL, but here in our world, the 47 turns with all but the Hurri and the Zero.  My USAF squaddie in fact swears it's the best turner in the game aside from that recycled American metal Jap turd.

You know your history sir, and do very well at explaining it in excellent detail. i however am not fully correct on every detail as you may be. You stated that the 47 was a good dogfighter, but not a good turner, I'm a fan of (Dogfights) history channel, their was a pilot that took on a 109 in a p47 thunderbolt, he out flew a 109 in a flat turn low to the ground, afterwords the 109 left the dogfight as did the p-47 pilot, only due to no ammunition.

You can correct me if any of this is wrong.
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So I sort of can't say you're wrong. 

And I can tell you totally counted to ten before posting.....  Thank You! 

[Nemisis]

You know your history sir, and do very well at explaining it in excellent detail. i however am not fully correct on every detail as you may be. You stated that the 47 was a good dogfighter, but not a good turner, I'm a fan of (Dogfights) history channel, their was a pilot that took on a 109 in a p47 thunderbolt, he out flew a 109 in a flat turn low to the ground, afterwords the 109 left the dogfight as did the p-47 pilot, only due to no ammunition.

The pilot who flew the p47 was in the 366th fighter group. you also said that a p-47 flying heavy with ords and a droptank could not dogfight worth a bean ? 47's took off their fuel-tanks and ords in any kind of dogfight, leaving them ready for any action that would take place.

Depends on speed, altitude, and a multitude of other factors. At 300 mph, the 47 will out turn a zero. At 250, a P-47 will out turn a zero. Fights take longer at higher altitude because often acceleration and climb rate have dropped to a minimum. A P-47 has a great advantage over most planes at 30k. And if it gets in trouble, it can just simply nose over and drop like a rock.

[Buck]

Roger that LLogann and Nemissis.  



metal jap turd ? 
                            

[gyrene81]

You know your history sir, and do very well at explaining it in excellent detail. i however am not fully correct on every detail as you may be. You stated that the 47 was a good dogfighter, but not a good turner, I'm a fan of (Dogfights) history channel, their was a pilot that took on a 109 in a p47 thunderbolt, he out flew a 109 in a flat turn low to the ground, afterwords the 109 left the dogfight as did the p-47 pilot, only due to no ammunition.

The pilot who flew the p47 was in the 366th fighter group. you also said that a p-47 flying heavy with ords and a droptank could not dogfight worth a bean ? 47's took off their fuel-tanks and ords in any kind of dogfight, leaving them ready for any action that would take place.

You can correct me if any of this is wrong.
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I used to watch those history channel dogfights episodes myself. One thing of note was that they never knew what versions of aircraft anyone flew, a 109 was a 109 and a 190 was a 190. Strangely enough they never get it all correct, in those P-47 episodes, it seemed like all of the pilots flew "paddle prop" P-47s. In AH the P-47D-25 and D-40 can turn with a 109G-14 or K-4, but not a 109F-4.

[Buck]

I used to watch those history channel dogfights episodes myself. One thing of note was that they never knew what versions of aircraft anyone flew, a 109 was a 109 and a 190 was a 190. Strangely enough they never get it all correct, in those P-47 episodes, it seemed like all of the pilots flew "paddle prop" P-47s. In AH the P-47D-25 and D-40 can turn with a 109G-14 or K-4, but not a 109F-4.

you said 25 and 40 can turn with a 109, but you didn't say out turn it, this pilot who flew in 1945 out flew in a flat turn with a 109 at low alt... probably a 109-g14, i fly the 47 quite a bit, and I've never out done 109s low and slow, with light fuel no ords even in a D11 <<< in any arena. i can trick someone with a 47, maybe if I'm lucky out run a few 109s, but never out done a 109 in a flat turn at low alt.

still think something is not right with some aircraft, i just don't.