Picking sides in FSO

[grizz441]

I think mainly because Axis is normally the unpopular side, so why would squads that fly axis planes 24/7 not be able to get an Axis slot?  My interpretation.

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[BrownBaron]

I'm confused about this...

Spend 5 minutes in any of the early, late, mid, or AvA arenas. How many Axis planes do you see buzzing about?

The allied plane set is vastly more popular than the Axis, therefore one would assume that most would want to fly easy mode spits in the FSO.

This would create a need for dedicated Axis pilots.

Why is it, then, that squads who request Axis do not recieve the assignment?

Is there not an abundance of Allied requests?

What is the point of giving squads the unwanted side when they could have been accomadated on their preffered side?

I, for one, will not be caught dead in a Spit XVI over Normandy this coming friday. 

[Reschke]

Geez ladies...grow up a bit and quit whining like a 3 year old little girl about not getting to wear that stained dress in the corner to a party.

Warloc/Squire was merely pointing out what was/is the way that the FSO assign rides for the events. IF you are an allied or axis based squadron "requesting" (key word here) you may not be posted to the Allied side.

My other thought on this though is IF you are the same type squadron in the other arenas as well as the FSO then why aren't you sticking with your rides full time unless in the AvA or dueling/training arena? Makes sense to me that you would want to be in your rides as much as possible.

I understand that some of you do the opposite just to help out the event and that is great...but sometimes you guys need to take a break before typing your responses to what was obviously just a post by a member of the FSO staff with a reminder to not get upset that you might not get the ride that you want for the FSO.

Oh and time with the family is always a good thing and for me comes before AH any day of the week/month/year!

[hammer]

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My other thought on this though is IF you are the same type squadron in the other arenas as well as the FSO then why aren't you sticking with your rides full time unless in the AvA or dueling/training arena? Makes sense to me that you would want to be in your rides as much as possible.

For the record, members of JG11 fly only Luftwaffe in the MAs. We sometimes fly allied rides on halloween or April Fools' day, but that is it.

Regards,

Hammer

[daddog]

I'll link up the threads and PM's from 2005 if you anyone wants to debate this with me.  I guarantee you will look like a fool.

Oh that is nothing new. I do that on a weekly basis.

No one is ever guaranteed a side in FSO. Having said that I see no reason Axis squad can't be Axis most of the time since most want Allied. You are quite right Grizz. It is a rare FSO that about ½ the squads want Axis, but it has come close. In any case gents it looks like Squire took care of it.

Please keep in mind that any squad which does not show up because of their rides will find a fast ticket out of FSO. Gents, I have zero tolerance for that kind of behavior. I hope this has been resolved to most everyone's satisfaction. If not then welcome to FSO. Happens to everyone sooner or later.

[grizz441]

Warloc/Squire was merely pointing out what was/is the way that the FSO assign rides for the events. IF you are an allied or axis based squadron "requesting" (key word here) you may not be posted to the Allied side.

Army of Muppets requested, per usual, Axis, and ride assignments of g14/a5/a8.  We were put on Allied.  And it looked like Stampf's group got the same deal. So what happened here was the opposite of what you have just written.  It all got cleared away though, so no worries.      

[33Vortex]

So what's the problem, you have trouble filling up the allied side or what? For JG11 the request would be less variation, not more, we fly Luftwaffe exclusively. It's just what we do. Flying anything else is outside of our SOP.



I think JG11 put up a great effort in PTO FSOs flying japanese ricekites. I consider the PTOs generally not worth the effort since my main interest is the Luftwaffe, I prefer the allied rides in the PTO, just don't fancy that japcrap much and because of the 5 am sat morning timing of all FSOs. Yeah, living in Europe will do that to you, 2300 hrs EST is 0500 CET. So sometimes the challenge for me is to show up at all.

If you want a good fight, put the people where they belong. If you want a milkrun, well... I'll pass.


Otherwise I think the FSO staff is doing a great job.

 

[VILKAS]

Oh and time with the family is always a good thing and for me comes before AH any day of the week/month/year!

          All of U !!!!.................I just became aware, that getting old sucks !

                                               Wish I could say !.." This FSO, I shall spend with my family "...but wait a minute, what family!
                                               family as U guys know !..r gone....long time gone !!!....My Squad in AH, is my family !

                                               Being a gunner, and dreaming of being a pilot. I sure was lucky to be accepted, by my Squad!
                                               Belonging to family, I guess is every ones desire and wish!.  It so happens, being good member
                                               within a family, U do what the rest of the family do, and do best!....?

                                               Like fly German Iron !    .....but darn, no gunner needed in a fighter !


              Vilkas 


         

[Squire]

Im happy enough that we dont bother with the practice any longer. Its not like we do FSO to get into fights with squads over what they want to fly? That being said it was never about "Axis" or "Allied" it was about the practice of only doing just one side, whichever that was. As I recall, it was more of an issue back when FSO was smaller and we had the same issue, and had to strongly encourage squads to alternate. I think we always wanted to foster some comaraderie amongst ALL the squads too... not just a certain group here and a certain group there for perpetuity, and mixing the sides up can do that. Personally I still encourage all the squads to switch every now and then, its fun to do, and you get to hook up with some former adversaries too. That being said I think the rest I covered in my other reply. Have fun. 

[Stampf]

I am very happy that this was resolved.  Thank you.

And though I have a way with words at times, the passion behind the responces here, should be telling and also be looked at as affirmation to the FSO CM team.

Simply put, Some of us, and many of us if you consider my squadron, only keep an active subscription here in AH for FSO alone.  I for instance have flown 1 day in the MA in May, and the month is now over.  The guys in my squad play AH to play Luftweenie pilot with me.  And we play AH to fly FSO missions as said luftweenie pilots.  Without that, there is nothing for us here.  So when it is Pacific time, we also fly Axis...not because we like 25 minute 1 way sorties in zero's and vals, but because we recognise that the Navy and USAF squads feel as passionate about their identities and reasons for playing as we do.

And it is not just the 11th.  No JG, or Luft theme unit like AoM, regardless of what they do in the MA wants to fight the Luftwaffe in an FSO mission.  This is Friday Squadron Operations!  I mean...this is it the best Golly-geen part of AH, what we all live for! 

I'll stop rambling here.  My apologies to any that took offence, but none personal was or is intended or implied.

We all have nothing but respect for the people who give from there own time, for the rest of us to have such fun.

Thank you again.

[Stampf]

sweet potato? 

Insert your own colorful metaphor there. 

[AKKuya]

I personally  the dedicated Axis squads in the MA who fly exclusively LW and IJA/N aircraft for the FSO over 75% of the time.  If they want to fly Axis every time for FSO, let them.  When they want to fly Allied every great once in awhile, let them be first in the Allied list for side balancing.

Just my two cents.

[Reschke]

For the record, members of JG11 fly only Luftwaffe in the MAs. We sometimes fly allied rides on halloween or April Fools' day, but that is it.

Regards,

Hammer

Yep and you guys do a good job at that Hammer. I wasn't pointing out your group or anyone else specifically but there are some that choose to have wine and cheese and need to eat crow as well. <S>

[TracerX]

THE ALLIED SIDE WILL ALWAYS BE THE MOST POPULAR SIDE.

When assiging squads for FSO, one of two situations will result.  We will have to reassign the extra Allied squads, or we will have to reassign the extra Axis squads.  In most setups, there is an excess of Allied squads that are reassigned to Axis.  The squads that have flown Allied the most are the squads that get reassigned first.  

When the Axis side is popular, and has to be reassigned, guess who gets reassigned first?  The Axis squads that have been flying axis all the time.  This is not common, but it is the way it goes.  If you have a better way to do the reassignments, make a case for it, but this sounds pretty good to me.  The only problem with the above is that while the Allied side will generally always have a random rotation, the Axis side will always be reassigning the dedicated Axis squads when it is relatively popular to be flying Axis (presumably when they would want to be flying Axis the most).  Figure out a way to cure this problem that makes everyone happy.  BTW, any solution would have to work just as well if ever the Axis side becomes the most requested side (over several series).

It is not acceptable to never reassign the dedicated squads.  This is a box of worms we would not like to open.  Guess what will happen to the number of dedicated Allied squads.

We have an anomoly in the current method of assignment, and that is a minor problem in the whole scheme of things.  I do not see a way to make the Axis side more popular in FSO.  The problem only arises because even if the setups are purely equal, in the agregate, more people will always request Allied than Axis.  In order to balance the requests, all the setups would necessarily have to be unequally weighted in the Axis favor, and I don't think that we sould be doing that in FSO.

[saltee]

THE ALLIED SIDE WILL ALWAYS BE THE MOST POPULAR SIDE. 

When the Axis side is popular, and has to be reassigned, guess who gets reassigned first?  The Axis squads that have been flying axis all the time.  This is not common, but it is the way it goes.  If you have a better way to do the reassignments, make a case for it, but this sounds pretty good to me.  

It is not acceptable to never reassign the dedicated squads.  

We have an anomoly in the current method of assignment, and that is a minor problem in the whole scheme of things.  I do not see a way to make the Axis side more popular in FSO.  

LOL  Make the event replicate the invasion of Poland or have mass attacks on bombers over Berlin using ME-262's and -163's.  I'll about guarantee that a good number (the Allies) would defect!  But I digress...

I don't agree with the philosophy of picking on any truly dedicated squadron as the ones to be swapped, if needed.  From what I can gather, from previous comments, there are a few squads that don't mind switch hitting sides.  If this is the case, why penalize the hardcores, regardless of side?  Personally, I would have each CO poll their troops and report back their findings and take it from there.  Why light a fire here, for all to see, if you don't have to?  Then again, you can't please all the people all the time...

I'm trying to be as objective as possible.  No finger pointing, fanning any flames or trying to flavor anyone's bowl of Cheerios with yellow water.  In the past, having created a couple of scenarios with a squad utilizing VATSIM, I have nothing but the up most respect for anyone that puts forth the time and effort to come up with a event for us to enjoy...regardless of my feelings later as I fall from the skies in a gasoline-soaked, rice paper a/c.

BZ, gentlemen!     Carry on.

PS- Geez, VILKAS.  I thought I was pushing the upper limits on age around here, until I saw your profile.     to you, sir!!