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Offline MORAY37

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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2010, 02:55:05 AM »
One thing I find interesting...
It is summer, gas prices usually go up due to "increased consumption" this time of the year. Usually whenever someone looks at another the wrong way,gas prices go up. However, with this large spill, gas prices have dropped drastically in a few weeks.

Wrong.  Summer has the least consumption.  Gas always goes down in summer.  Winter, when fuel oil is in demand, is when gas prices go up.
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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2010, 06:39:38 AM »
I bet when it gets capped price of fuel will skyrocket because they will , well they will come up with some thing . I would allmost put money on it . That fuel will be 5 buck's a gallon this time next year .
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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2010, 10:47:30 AM »
Wrong.  Summer has the least consumption.  Gas always goes down in summer.  Winter, when fuel oil is in demand, is when gas prices go up.

It was about 2 years ago that gas hit $4 a gallon in the late summer here in Alabama and stayed there for a while. Last year we went over $3 for a few weeks. This year we are actually backing down the cost per gallon which is good...however down along the gulf coast it was over $3 a gallon just 2 weeks ago when I was down there on business.
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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2010, 09:27:37 PM »
Wrong.  Summer has the least consumption.  Gas always goes down in summer.  Winter, when fuel oil is in demand, is when gas prices go up.

Gasoline consumption is higher during warmer months than colder months.  Oil consumption as a whole is higher during colder months.  Hence the reason for a rise in gas prices.
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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2010, 10:46:05 AM »
Well , LP is $2.50 a gallon as of today . See what it is this time next year ..
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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2010, 12:52:36 PM »
1:
Current estimates of the amount of oil being discharged range from 12,000–100,000 barrels (500,000–4,200,000 US gallons; 1,900,000–16,000,000 litres) per day. The preliminary best estimate that was released on May 27 by the semi-official Flow Rate Technical Group put the volume of oil flowing from the blown-out well at 12,000 to 19,000 barrels (500,000 to 800,000 US gallons; 1,900,000 to 3,000,000 litres) per day, which had amounted to between 440,000 and 700,000 barrels (18,000,000 and 29,000,000 US gallons; 70,000,000 and 111,000,000 litres) as of that date...

compared to the Ixtoc I oil spill

In the initial stages of the spill, an estimated 30,000 barrels of oil per day were flowing from the well. In July 1979, the pumping of mud into the well reduced the flow to 20,000 barrels per day, and early in August the pumping of nearly 100,000 steel, iron, and lead balls into the well reduced the flow to 10,000 barrels per day. Pemex claimed that half of the released oil burned when it reached the surface, a third of it evaporated, and the rest was contained or dispersed.[6] Mexican authorities also drilled two relief wells into the main well to lower the pressure of the blowout, however the oil continued to flow for three months following the completion of the first relief well.

Pemex contracted Conair Aviation to spray the chemical dispersant Corexit 9527 on the oil. A total of 493 aerial missions were flown, treating 1,100 square miles of oil slick. Dispersants were not used in the U.S. area of the spill because of the dispersant's inability to treat weathered oil. Eventually the on-scene coordinator (OSC) requested that Mexico stop using dispersants north of 25°N.

In Texas, an emphasis was placed on coastal countermeasures protecting the bays and lagoons formed by the barrier islands. Impacts of oil to the barrier island beaches were ranked as second in importance to protecting inlets to the bays and lagoons. This was done with the placement of skimmers and booms. Efforts were concentrated on the Brazos-Santiago Pass, Port Mansfield Channel, Aransas Pass, and Cedar Bayou which during the course of the spill was sealed with sand. Economically and environmentally sensitive barrier island beaches were cleaned daily. Laborers used rakes and shovels to clean beaches rather than heavier equipment which removed too much sand. Ultimately, 71,500 barrels of oil impacted 162 miles of U.S. beaches, and over 10,000 cubic yards of oiled material were removed.

What about IXTOC?

Nine months at a much higher rate than Deepwater Horizon. 140 Million gallons. A river of oil.

Seas didn't die.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v290/n5803/abs/290235a0.html
where did you find 140 MILLION gallons dawger?

2: Sea life will not die out, it will adapt like it always has...Sadly, this adaptation will cause the death of thousands of sea animals let alone birds and land animals or amphibians on the shore. experts are saying it will impact hundreds of bird species alone...

3: On May 19, scientists monitoring the spill with the European Space Agency Envisat radar satellite stated that oil reached the Loop Current, which flows clockwise around the Gulf of Mexico towards Florida, and may reach Florida within 6 days. The scientists warn that because the Loop Current is a very intense, deep ocean current, its turbulent waters will accelerate the mixing of the oil and water in the coming days. "This might remove the oil film on the surface and prevent us from tracking it with satellites, but the pollution is likely to affect the coral reef marine ecosystem". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration acknowledged, on May 19, that "a small portion of the oil slick has reached the Loop Current in the form of light to very light sheens."

4: BP has not allowed independant scientists to accurately determine the true oil leak amount and has downplayed it from the start of the incident.
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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2010, 04:12:52 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2010, 04:24:39 PM »
The oil spill is not the end of the world. Bad for the ocean yes but not earth shattering. Some fear mongering people will make it seem like it is though.
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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2010, 09:54:01 PM »
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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2010, 06:28:03 AM »
That is really not funny.

  actualy it is  :rofl


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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2010, 06:29:32 AM »
That is really not funny.
it kind of is hilarious actually but at the same time has a true point that needs taking to heart :aok
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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2010, 06:33:09 PM »
Wrong.  Summer has the least consumption.  Gas always goes down in summer.  Winter, when fuel oil is in demand, is when gas prices go up.

From my experience that's not the way gas prices work over here on the West Coast.  Besides most of this side of the country being piped with natural gas for home needs (or propane via truck delivery to your own tank), gas prices are at their lowest usualy in the winter (if the companies can't find some reason to jack them up of cource... I am very suspect that the recent east coast heating oil shortages were purely investor-made.  By now (this passing holiday weekend to be exact), they shoulda jumped at least 0.25 cents to the gallon if we are to believe the BS oil companies have always fed us about the demand skyrocketing up due to summer recreation (and histroicaly jsutifying a 0.25-1.00 spike in gas prices.  They also ream us when they change from winter to summer mixtures over here too...  this is frakin So-Cal, our temperature difference between summer and winter is 30 degrees avg., having to change blends (and charge us consumers up the yang when it does) to a different winter blend of gas makes as much sence to me out here as if they required us to use ethenol in hydrolic lines for fear they'd freeze and clog up in the winter.


I don't trust the oil companies and this episode is just another clear example of why.  I can list lots of reasons why the gas prices shoulda jumped up this year in Cali like they usually do around this time (vehicle ownership is up, more gas guzzling older cars are being kept around longer than previously estimated consumers would, we had a massive tanker fire that shut down half a MAJOR freeway for almost an entire day last week, the northern half of our state is having a very late winter... the wine vinyards are still in May and June now fighting sudden frost snaps).  And this year a lot more people took off outa town for the holday than stuck around the past few years due to the ecenomy.

And this is my main gripe about the home heating oil shortage on the East coast recently... I don't understand how there was really a shortage.  People being tight on money and not buying it until the last possible minute in hopes of prices dropping soon I can understand (the same is done over here with propane purchases, when ya see a price drop its time to try and score a cheap refil).  But I have minimal oil refining knowledge, but as I understand the process, when you make one grade/product of petroleum for consumtion, at the same time don't you make multiple other products based on different grades extracted from the processed crude?  Or can you only make one type of grade at any given time and not produce anyhting else outa the crude?    IE: for each 50-gal barrel of crude you can extract 5 gal of jet-grade petrol, 15 gal of auto-grade, 10 gal of diesel grade, etc.  So in short, if they're processing the crude, and there are no shortages of the rest of the grades of oil products but a severe shortage in one grade... that's what doesn't add up to me in the slightest.
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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2010, 06:45:23 PM »
It will be sealed or made dead, August at the latest. The relief holes will kill the pressure than it can be sealed properly. They will not let this go on forever.

A "low yield" nuke would solve it quick :aok

Accidents happen, we all like to drive and wear shoes and stay warm and ski and sled and eat and cook and etc. etc. It is not a perfect world and we have no instruction on how to power it! All of humanity is making it up as we go along  :aok so mistakes are inevitable. It will be closed, many animals will die many tourists will have to go elsewhere and even swimming will be delayed but it will all be OK and your fish will taste fine :aok :aok


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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2010, 09:18:59 PM »
A "low yield" nuke would solve it quick :aok
a low yield nuke would just cause a new set of problems... a.k.a. nuclear aqua fallout and the blast itself would kill anything underwater for miles. granted the radiation would dissipate fast in the water currents
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Re: Oil spill question
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2010, 10:56:56 PM »


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There is no way to stop them.
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