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Offline Plazus

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Re: 1 Squadron RAAF Mossie
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2010, 09:22:22 AM »
Im going to have to agree with Mus on this one. A freshly painted Mossie will look great in real life. But in a game, like AH, it just looks bad IMO. Looks too cartoonish for me. FTJR, youve done a great job with your skin so far. I would like to see the plane with a little bit of weathering, even though in real life, it wouldve been clean as a whistle.
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Offline Mus51

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Re: 1 Squadron RAAF Mossie
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2010, 12:39:12 PM »
FTJR, im not saying you have to dirty her up. I'm saying it might change the look if you add panel line shadings.

Example, dont look at the shadow but just the shades between rivets and panels, its not dirt but just the static shadow/highlight between panels.

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Re: 1 Squadron RAAF Mossie
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2010, 10:58:27 PM »
As a counter-point to Mus, I would like to point out the difference between bare metal and aluminum paint.

Bare:



Clearly appears as you suggest.


Painted:



Very bland. No panel shades, variations, no rivets to show (which the mossie wouldn't have much of to begin with, I guess).


Images taken from the BMF/painted thread here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,289514.0.html

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Re: 1 Squadron RAAF Mossie
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2010, 07:23:43 PM »
Plazus, thanks for the reply, I see I changed some things suggested by you on page 2 but didn't acknowledge that, sorry. In regards to the weathering, did Mus's illustration work for you?

Mus, Im looking into the reference material to see what panels there are, and though I haven't looked for awhile I believe the mossie was put together in 2 halfs like a model aeroplane, basically there are very few panels, and what there are will be on the wings.

Krusty's illustration of the differences is pretty good, thanks Krusty.

Im a bit busy with RL things atm, so will be slow to reply.

Again I appreciate the input guys.
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Re: 1 Squadron RAAF Mossie
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2010, 07:46:14 PM »
FTJR,

I think Mus does a good job of pointing out the weathering details when he edited your picture. I would try implementing something similar to what he is suggesting.

Now Krusty also brings up a good point too. Silver painted aircraft generally have a bland appearance with little weathering visible, especially on those that are freshly painted. Also, you may want to play with your specularity settings. I notice a few things between BMF and Silver paint with the following:

1. BMF has a very bright reflection when shown in light. However, the size of the reflection (area that is reflecting the light source) is small, and as such, gives it a mirror-like luster, and you can see the sun, light bulbs, or other sources of light as if you were looking into a mirror.

2. Silver paint has a different kind of "luster" or specularity assiciated with it. Reflections are not nearly as bright as BMF. Rather, the appearance will seem dull in comparison. But the size of the reflection (amount of surface reflecting light), is much larger, as the paint spreads light across the surface further than bare metal.

If you look at Krusty's images of the B25 that he posted further up in this thread, you will see what I mean. I think that you might be able to depict the specularity as mentioned above, and perhaps the silver painted Mossie wont look too cartoonish.

So essentially, you have two choices. You can either depict your skin as being a freshly painted Mossie on the first day it saw action. Or you can depict the Mossie after having flown several missions and collecting dirt, oil, and other weathering. Either way, there really is no right or wrong. Just use your imagination!
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Re: 1 Squadron RAAF Mossie
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2010, 05:11:49 AM »
Mus, Im looking into the reference material to see what panels there are, and though I haven't looked for awhile I believe the mossie was put together in 2 halfs like a model aeroplane, basically there are very few panels, and what there are will be on the wings.

You are correct.
This vid shows Mossies being built.

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Re: 1 Squadron RAAF Mossie
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2010, 02:19:27 PM »
As a counter-point to Mus, I would like to point out the difference between bare metal and aluminum paint.

Bare:

(Image removed from quote.)

Clearly appears as you suggest.


Painted:

(Image removed from quote.)

Very bland. No panel shades, variations, no rivets to show (which the mossie wouldn't have much of to begin with, I guess).


Images taken from the BMF/painted thread here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,289514.0.html
I was thinking the same thing about the rivets, since the things made of plyboard.
Did mossies have metal covered wings?
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