Aircraft in aces high II

[BulletVI]

now dont get me wrong the team at aces high II have done a great job of creating and modeling aircraft within aces high II. But there is one point i would like to point out to them. that is from some of the later war aircraft i.e the tempest the typhoon the P-51 and a few others. now the flight models are great but i feel that the aces team have forgotten one factor about these aircraft.and that is that a typhoon will only start to outclimb a Spit 8 or zero in a 1000 feet per minute climb but above that it wont in real life due to power to weight ratio's of the aircraft. the tempest is heavier than the spit 8 an zero so thus if it climbs more than 1000 feet per minute it looses speed. this is due to a physics factor that i believe they havent forgoten but have kept the same for every aircraft within the game. And that physics factor is GRAVITY. Basics physics dictates that a 1kg object needs 3 times its weight to counteract gravity. now thats a basic rule that all aircraft designers have lived by. and again physics dictates that the heavier the object the more power it needs to overcome gravity at a more accute angle. so i ask can a tempest out clime a spit 8 or a zero at a climb angle of 75 degrees for more than 30 seconds i dont thinkso and im a trained air frames engineer. i also accept that computers and servers and progams wont give you the exact realism you need in a game but sureley even thats not possible with computer programing.

so i would like your opinion on this please as i believe this to be an opened minded subject free to all opinions <Salute> All

[Jayhawk]

Although I'm not informed on the subject, I would suggest you list your sources to some of the information you're citing.

[AirFlyer]

Wouldn't Power/Mass ratio be the main deciding factor in this? Assuming speeds are the same.

[Krusty]

The aircraft's power doesn't overcome gravity. The aircraft's LIFT does. Excess power simply helps you climb better. Assuming you can translate that power into excess thrust.

P.S. There is a very big difference between minor zoom climbs and steady climb rates.

Your entire post seems to be lacking in a general understanding of how the differences in airframes dictate different performances.


P.P.S. I've never heard of a zero outclimbing a tempest, but a spit8 blows one away in this game, by a significant margin.

[Bear76]

Thorism have a brother? 

[hitech]

Basics physics dictates that a 1kg object needs 3 times its weight to counteract gravity.

Say WHAAAATTTT?
This statement makes no since at all.

physics dictates that the heavier the object the more power it needs to overcome gravity at a more accute angle.

Say WHAAAAAT?

You may wish to get your physics book out because angle of climb has nothing to do with power required.

HiTech

[gyrene81]

Thorism have a brother? 

No but it looks like junior was awake during his science class film and learned something. Problem is that he is taking that data and applying the single plane views of the basic formulas when he needs to educate himself on the 3 dimensional plane of aerodynamics. It also appears that he remains in asleep in english class.

[Nemisis]

hitech, I think he's saying that you need more power to keep an airplane moving as the angle of climb increases (the wings won't provide lift when in a 90degree climb).


As for the 1kg thing, I have not a clue what he's talking about. Honestly it reminds me of something about inertia: the formula had a 3 in it  .


Also, I don't buy that part about him being a "trained air frames engineer". Seems like an engineer would have better spelling and grammar.

[hitech]

hitech, I think he's saying that you need more power to keep an airplane moving as the angle of climb increases (the wings won't provide lift when in a 90degree climb).


As for the 1kg thing, I have not a clue what he's talking about. Honestly it reminds me of something about inertia: the formula had a 3 in it  .


Also, I don't buy that part about him being a "trained air frames engineer". Seems like an engineer would have better spelling and grammar.

The problem is , it does not require more power as climb angle increases only more thrust.

Seems like an engineer would have better spelling and grammar.

You haven't been reading enough of my writing.


HiTech

[Sincraft]

actually, if we are getting technical  speed creates the lift, thrust is just the way to get the speed.  How much speed?  Depends on the weight of the aircraft and the airfoil.  How much lift is created from those two combined with a certain amount of speed.

   i think...now my head hurts.  i like , learneded this somewhere,...in like...school or something...ah huh.  ahuh huh haha huh. 

[WMLute]

Nothing about this...

now dont get me wrong the team at aces high II have done a great job of creating and modeling aircraft within aces high II. But there is one point i would like to point out to them. that is from some of the later war aircraft i.e the tempest the typhoon the P-51 and a few others. now the flight models are great but i feel that the aces team have forgotten one factor about these aircraft.and that is that a typhoon will only start to outclimb a Spit 8 or zero in a 1000 feet per minute climb but above that it wont in real life due to power to weight ratio's of the aircraft. the tempest is heavier than the spit 8 an zero so thus if it climbs more than 1000 feet per minute it looses speed. this is due to a physics factor that i believe they havent forgoten but have kept the same for every aircraft within the game. And that physics factor is GRAVITY. Basics physics dictates that a 1kg object needs 3 times its weight to counteract gravity. now thats a basic rule that all aircraft designers have lived by. and again physics dictates that the heavier the object the more power it needs to overcome gravity at a more accute angle. so i ask can a tempest out clime a spit 8 or a zero at a climb angle of 75 degrees for more than 30 seconds i dont thinkso and

adds up to this.

im a trained air frames engineer.

[Bear76]

You haven't been reading enough of my writing.


HiTech

Word 

[Jayhawk]

Werd 

Fixed

[NCLawman]

I am not an airframes engineer; but, I play one on TV.  I also stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.     

This thread makes me laugh.  It is funny enough that OP is trying to school HTC on the laws of phyics and flight modeling ('cause I am sure that they completely forgot to account for gravity in the coading)    ..... ; but, then to read the manner in which it was posted....   I can't help but laugh.  Thank you for starting my day with a belly laugh! 

Next issue......   If someone is speed reading, at say 90 mph, and slams into a wall of text, the laws of physics and inertia dictate that the readers eyes should pop from his head faster in a Tempest than an A6M or a Spit 8.  With that in mind would the injuries be more severe in the late war birds?   

[Boxboy]

The problem is , it does not require more power as climb angle increases only more thrust.

 
You haven't been reading enough of my writing.


HiTech

Ok now I am confused? What produces thrust or in this case more thrust if not the engine??  I are NOT an engineer