Reasons NOT to have jet fighters- other ramblings too

[Pepe]

LOL  @ Hangtime  


deSelys, S!. You maybe a newbie, but a class act as well.  

Cheers,

Pepe

[AKSWulfe]

Originally posted by Pepe:
deSelys, S!. You maybe a newbie, but a class act as well.  

Newbie my ass, that guy is a killer. I winged with him in a Russian scenario a while back. We both lived and got several kills to boot.

Class act, killer in the sky, and a damn fine stick.
S! deSelys!
-SW

[Pepe]

Ooops,

Sorry, didn't mean that, as I've never faced him  

What I wanted to say (blame my English  ) is that nevermind wether he's a newbie or not, etc.

Sorry again, deSelys.

Thks SW, I stand corrected  

Cheers,

Pepe

[AKSWulfe]

I said that in jest Pepe. Not to insult you or what you thought he was, but just to get that out there.  
S! Pepe
-SW

[deSelys]

Please, guys...I'm blushing!  

SW, to be correct, I lived through the scenario but without scoring any kill for one simple reason...YOU KILLED THEM ALL!  
I only could pick one miserable assist and force another one to ditch...


A possible RPS for the planes we have now in AH (trying to combine history and gameplay)

Week 1:
A6M5b (perked 10)
109 F4
Spit V
Seafire
La-5 FN
C.202
TBM
Ju88
C47
Il2(perked 5)
all vehicles/ships/field guns

Week 2:
A6M5b (no perk)
109 G2
C.205
190A5 (perk 5)
Spit IX (perk 5)
P47 D11
Typhoon (perk 10)
Il2 (no perk)
B17
B26
Lanc

Week 3:
109 G6
F6F5
F4U-1D
190 A5 (no perk)
190 A8
190 F8
Ki-61
Spit IX (no perk)
P38L
P51B
P47D25
Yak9T
Typhoon (no perk)

Week 4:
109G10
F4U-1C (perk 10)
190 D9 (perk 10)
La-7
N1K2-1 (perk 10)
P47D30
P51D
Ta 152 (perk 30)
Tempest (perk 20..Tempest saw more service than Ta 152...)
Yak 9U
Ar234 (perk 20)

This is only a proposition...let's brainstorm a bit about this!

de Selys

[LePaul]

This is kind of unusual.  For months we've had threads of "Please add...", and now we have someone saying "Please, do't you dare add....".

I'm a buff-dweeb.  I'm that Lancaster you've all shot down at some time...and chances are, I've also clobbered your radar a few times    I'm also recalling that when the perk planes, like the Arado, were first announced, people in here were going fanatical (please, y'll don't have amnesia, do ya?).  A jet bomber, oh my god, they'll be ARMADAS of them in the air, knocking down bases left and right.  But how many have you seen?  Not many.  What about the Tempest and Ta-152(U-2 winged thing)...I've only seen 2 Tempests and 1 Ta-152 since they were introduced.

My point is this, here we are, once again over-reacting about something that isn't even out yet.  The Me-262 is a legendary bird, much as the P-38, P-51 and others are.  To not have it would be silly.  We all know it's going to be perked, and we also know that the perked airplanes are fairly rare in the Main Arena.

I don't see what the big deal is about the idea of jets being in the game.  Its the same old argument between those who want historical battles versus folks (like me) who just want all the aircraft of that era available to fly and fight in.

[Urchin]

I don't think the rolling plane set would work well here- for instance in week 1 there are no U.S. fighters, and only one in week 2.  A lot of folks here are americans, and they enjoy flying American planes.  Anyways, that is about all I have to say.

Also, I wouldn't mind having the 109E series in the game, even though it would probably be slower than the spitV and spitIX.  For now I settle for the 109F4 when I want to fly an early war bird.

[Yeager]

They say a well flown P51 can roam the arena with near impunity (they are correct).  A poorly flown Me262 makes the Runstang look likes its going backwards!

Having these things available would be wonderful but if a system doesnt somehow manage how they are enabled then the whole game would be impacted like no other conceivable single fighter of the era.

Also, once the 262 makes it what about the Ameri, brit and soviet counterparts.

Jets can be implimented.  Pyro can figure out how.

Y

[SirLoin]

I like that rolling plane-set idea with the modified perks,but we need more early war planes or all you'll see are Spit V's.I beleive this will eventually happen,but until we get F4f,Spit1a/II,Hurricanes,P40,109emil etc..it won't work that well.      

[lazs1]

staga.. you are either not paying attention or not very bright.  The difference between wanting to furball with planes of parity and wanting to have an untouchable plane in an arena of planes hundreds of mph slower should be obvious to even you.   If I want to fight planes of equal abilities then everyone has a good time.   If you want to boom and zoom with impunity then you are being selfish and ruining a lot of peoples fun.

The 262 would limit variety not add to it.  If it, and other uber fast planes were allowed the last few days of the tour it would lessen the unfairness but then you wouldn't be able to have a huge unfair advantage that u crave so much would you?

lastly.... if more planes is what we are after then we are going the wrong way in any case.   There are far more viable (against contemperaries) early war planes to model.

urchin... the rps would cover say 39 to 42 for early war say.   That would include U.S. planes.   An f4f-3 or p40 would be a great (and fair) fite for a 109E or zeke.  why not have a few days or more of early war at the beggining of the tour?
lazs

[Urchin]

I agree with you on the Rolling Plane Set- I think it would be REALLY neat.  However, I don't think it is a very popular idea around here at this time, so it probably would not be put in by HTC.  I'd LOVE to see a P40 put in, just like I'd enjoy having the Bf110 (even though it would suck hehe), the .303 versions of the Hurricane and Spitfire, a 109E, and a P39 (always thought these planes were cool).  Also wouldn't mind seeing some early war French planes, just to flesh out the set.  I'm a big fan of the early to mid war planes, just about all of em.  I'd even fly the spitfire armed with the 8X.303s, suck as it may.

[Staga]

Maybe early-war arena ?

I would like to see P-39 and -40, 109E, Hurricane, Stuka, Ju-88 (  ), Wellington, DB-3, LaGG-3, MiG-3, Morane etc in a arena where they doesn't have to fight against late war speedsters  

[Kingonads]

I think we should lay off the late war planes and bring in the early war planes. I am tired of playing late war scenarios I would like to see a P40 or a Mossquito but this is not the post for it.  

  I would like to add one more plane to your run list its the Typhoon, I've been flying it regularly this tour I rather like its "extending" cappabilities.  But I do agree that the 262 would be cannon fodder in the MA but I do think a 161 or what ever its called would be ok at about 80perks but I would like to see more bombers first and more japanese planes or more CV bombers like the Dauntless and the KATE and the VAL.  

  But thats just my oppinion.    


                               Hodo

[deSelys]

Early war planes are indeed needed if we want to have a decent RPS. But don't forget that american planes weren't available much during 39-40 (american pilots were flying spits, while RAf used P40 and mis-used P39). oh, I almost forgot the Curtiss H.75 during France Campaign. So the guy who only want to fly american iron may be a bit browned off every first week of the month....

I'm all in for a RPS covering whole war, but I still believe that splitting the player between a late war arena and an early one would be a big mistake: less crowd in both arenas, especially in the latter. If I'm right, building new arenas caused a real crisis inside the AW community.

Just count me in amongst the guys who want more early war planes before we get jets and other 2000-3000 Hp treats. Then 262 will be welcome for the end of the RPS (perked).

de Selys

[Citabria]

i used to kill 262's a lot with the a6m5 in wb