The Tower has ears

[usvi]

Yes, there were spies in WW2, and what was done to them if they were caught?
I think friendly fire should be turned off for such a player for one month, and their dot should always appear on dar for a month, no matter the radar range or alt.
Maybe with a special yellow colour.
So all can see him, and all can shoot him with impunity.
Hell, give him a 10 mile icon too, with range always on, even in a GV.

That's just downright mean...I like it! 

[rvflyer]

How the Hell did we go from Spying to God Blessed Hoing in the same thread.

Holy Crap.

Idiots.

  Wow, wish I your intelligence then I would
not be an "Idiot"

[Demetrious]

Spoken like a true player that is seriously lacking in any skill. 

ack-ack

Hey, hey, now. The man's got a point, especially when he speaks to the "whining" part. Experienced players who get killed by HOs have no excuses, and no license to whine, because they're letting themselves get killed by noobs who are making themselves easy, easy targets. Remember, noob HOers aren't just taking zero-degree-deflection snapshots; they're flying like it's Doom, trying to keep their piper on the target all the way through the merge. This makes them the most hilariously inept, predictable opponent in the whole game, and any "experienced" pilot should know percisely how to milk them for easy kills, every time. (I won't presume to lecture the likes of you with the basic ACM theory involved in that, of course, you've probably forgotten more then I ever knew.)

Now the issue of metagamers messing up CV fights is different; there's very little you can do to stop them from spoiling the game. I'm sure High Tech would discourage such activity, but it'd require real-time monitoring of in-game comms, and I don't think they have enough staff for that kind of thing. Still, you might take screenshots of it, and HighTech might log that info on their servers. If we're going to start throwing around the word "cheat," I think we should consult the Law on standing policy before we go too much further.

[LLogann]

Men from every country sometimes share in a "common good."  CV hiders are bad people, and the IAAHFF (International Association of Aces High Freedom Flyers) always ban together to find these CV's, and kill them!!!

Other than that, I do not believe that spying is a normal part of game-play and certainly not worth any real consideration. 

[zack1234]

yes i agree but i can see the other guys point of view

[doc1kelley]

not really gaming the game truly...how many spies were there for WWII let alone over the years during wars?

Yes spying takes fairness out of gameplay, but to many spying is just another strategy here. It was done in real life, i can be done here...

I am not saying im backing spying. It is one thing i have never done and will never do <S>

Well how can you say that it's not "gaming the game"?  The game is only about combat and "spying" is NOT modeled in Aces High.  IMHO , spying is not just "gaming the game', it's just dishonest.  Spying is not a valid strategy, just as diplomacy is not a valid strategy,  and global logistics are not a strategic resource or we would have anti-shipping warfare in the game.  The whole thing is that it's about combat and not simulating the warfare or the geo-political aspects of warfare in general.  The community should not condone nor encourage the act of "spying'. as it's a definite detriment to the game as a whole.

All the Best...

   Jay

[WMLute]

Bottom line is this...

You find you were given too much change at a store.

Some of us will return the money.
(even if it means driving across town)

Some will think "neat! free money!" and keep it.

It all boils down to personal ethics.

Either you have 'em or you don't.

[RTHolmes]

doesnt happen very often but last week I got pmd an enemy CV location by a player on bish (usually a knit). as usual I replied that we dont use spy info, told my squaddies who it was (not the info tho) and forgot about it.

about an hour later 5 of us went NOE to a rook base, about 2 sectors flight. 5 miles out from the dar ring we see some darbar appear at the base and since its not a frontline base assume they are buffs upping. 2 miles inside the dar ring and we see 2 spit XVIs and a N1K at 5k heading straight for us.

so much for karma

[caldera]

Well how can you say that it's not "gaming the game"?  The game is only about combat and "spying" is NOT modeled in Aces High.  IMHO , spying is not just "gaming the game', it's just dishonest.  Spying is not a valid strategy, just as diplomacy is not a valid strategy,  and global logistics are not a strategic resource or we would have anti-shipping warfare in the game.  The whole thing is that it's about combat and not simulating the warfare or the geo-political aspects of warfare in general.  The community should not condone nor encourage the act of "spying'. as it's a definite detriment to the game as a whole.

All the Best...

   Jay

Relaying info across country lines is lame, as is hiding CVs in the back of the map.
Hiding carriers is gaming the game too.  Not much about combat involved in doing that, huh?
Don't think they "did it in the war".   

  to the CV hunters who find those sissy carrier fleets hiding in the corner.

[jd]

seems to me everyone knows the CV's are sitting in the corner any way, so whats the point. The idea of "saving" the CV by hiding it is lame. Even if you want to use a carrier to assault a base some A-hole comes along and moves it right back to the corner like its "their" game. Our only hope is that someone with a higher rank will prevail and not allow this "gaming". You Richard craniums ought to be ashamed of yourselves, but I guess that would take a certain amount of maturity.

[RTHolmes]

I dont have a problem with "hiding" CVs - seems a reasonable tactic to me. if you want to find em just recce in a 234, the puffy ack will help you locate it

[321BAR]

Bottom line is this...

You find you were given too much change at a store.

Some of us will return the money.
(even if it means driving across town)

Some will think "neat! free money!" and keep it.

It all boils down to personal ethics.

Either you have 'em or you don't.

an ethical man knows whats right. a moral man DOES whats right.

[Crash Orange]

Its not cheating it "gaming the game" and yes it is very lame.  Seems to be only the ones so focused on the base take that do these things. 

Hmmm... let's see about that.

Now spying in general...................... .............ALL FOR IT

You may need to reexamine your conclusion there, grumpy. In addition to lame-*** griefers like JunkyII, plenty of score padders like to coordinate across country lines too - why ruin that top 10 kills/sortie score by wandering around looking for cons 20k below you when you can just have a squaddie switch sides and find them for you? 

[Crash Orange]

how many spies were there for WWII let alone over the years during wars?

True... but then, what happened to spies who were caught?

Perhaps HTC should institute a policy that anyone caught relaying info across country lines is banned for life - all in the name of realism, of course.

[Crash Orange]

If spying to find the location of CV's is gaming the game, lame, cheating or whatever.... it's not very far in character from capturing enemy CV's and sending them off to remote locations "just in case" the original owners recapture their port. 

Bullcrap. One is dishonest and the other isn't. Likewise with HOing, it's lame in some circumstances (but not in others; whine all you want, but I'm GOING to HO your Brewster in my 110 every chance I get, it's a high-percentage shot for me) but not dishonorable. It's a significant difference.