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Offline Emu

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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2010, 08:51:17 AM »
It is my favorite 109 as well.  It may be because I'm used to it, but I prefer it over the G2 for some reason. 

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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2010, 01:10:00 PM »
I really wish the 109G-6/AS was the model we have in AH.
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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2010, 01:58:59 PM »
I really wish the 109G-6/AS was the model we have in AH.
The only G-6 model?
Oh, god no.

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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2010, 02:00:22 PM »
The only G-6 model?
Oh, god no.
Why not, if we're stuck with just one, the G6/AS is a lot better than the one we have now.
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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2010, 02:11:18 PM »
I'm fairly sure that the G-6/AS was heavier and in any case it only starts to get better performance than standard G-6's above... 20,000' I think? Unless it was modeled with MW50 boost, in which case it would be completely unsuitable to sub for the G-6.
Further the /AS would be poorly representative of the G-6 that was in service from 1943-44 as the /AS was 'modern' as the G-6 line was in the spring of 1944, meaning that all G-6/AS's had the Erla Haube canopy and tall tail rudder, plus the cowling redesign required for the AS engine.
The G-6 would just loose all of the character that makes it the G-6, and the G-6's character is what makes it such a fun plane.
Replacing the G-6 with a G-6/AS would really just not be beneficial. It would just shift the gap.
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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2010, 02:22:52 PM »
I think you're mixing the G-10 up with the G6/AS. Primary differences between the G6 and G6/AS was the engine. The AS model had the DB-605 engine with the DB-603 supercharger giving it better performance at alt. Didn't use the MW50 system. The only other change was a more aerodynamic cowling.


The G-10 had the Erla canopy, longer rudder, different tail wheel, etc...
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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2010, 02:32:00 PM »
All of the things in the late G line (G-6 on) were mixed in as time went on, including the Erla Haube canopy and tall rudder... and all of the other improvements. The G-14 and G-10 were just attempts to standardize this.
As such, you'll see G-6's with Erla Haubes, G-14's with short rudders, etc. etc... in fact, those two 'abnormalities' in particular are pretty commonplace. I've even seen a G-10 with a short rudder.
Our G-6 is a fairly early model, representative of a G-6 produced in late summer/fall of 1943.

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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2010, 02:55:18 PM »
I forgot about the propeller blades too (VDM 9-12159 ?). Something about having a broad cord design to them.

I'm gonna have to dig again but I could have sworn the first G6/AS versions without the Erla canopy were distributed between Feb-Apr 1944.
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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2010, 03:41:06 PM »
All of the things in the late G line (G-6 on) were mixed in as time went on, including the Erla Haube canopy and tall rudder... and all of the other improvements. The G-14 and G-10 were just attempts to standardize this.
As such, you'll see G-6's with Erla Haubes, G-14's with short rudders, etc. etc... in fact, those two 'abnormalities' in particular are pretty commonplace. I've even seen a G-10 with a short rudder.
Our G-6 is a fairly early model, representative of a G-6 produced in late summer/fall of 1943.

Ja, field modifications were the norm with the G6, they were all over the map, I believe some of them had engine mods beyond the supercharger, I know some had a 30mm option, and the list goes on and on. Saying a 109 is a G6 is more like saying its not a G2 and not a K4, but something somewhere in between a G2 with 50 cals and a G14(which was an attempt to standardize the mess).
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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2010, 03:39:42 AM »
Ja, field modifications were the norm with the G6, they were all over the map, I believe some of them had engine mods beyond the supercharger, I know some had a 30mm option, and the list goes on and on. Saying a 109 is a G6 is more like saying its not a G2 and not a K4, but something somewhere in between a G2 with 50 cals and a G14(which was an attempt to standardize the mess).

30mm became much more common as production went on.  As Motherland noted, our G-6 is an early one and that is why it lacks the 30mm option.
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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2010, 03:44:20 AM »
in "jg26 war diaries vol2" their 109g6 had 30mm's to a large extent during summer -44.
The disadvantage of the 30mm  weight was ok since of its destructing power was so great.
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Re: 109 G6
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2010, 04:19:29 PM »
The MK 108 weighs only 16 kg more than the MG 151/20. Pilot obesity would be a bigger factor than what engine gun option you choose.
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