Why perk the tiger anymore? (Film inside)

[gyrene81]

Well, if you wanttoi use stats...


Current tour

Tiger vs
M4(75)      Kills 115 Deaths 1 K/D 115
M4(76)w  Kills 949 Deaths 145 K/D 6.54


Yea, Tiger is porked and M4's are overmodeled.  

All that shows is how popular they are. Wait til the new wears off.

[Lusche]

All that shows is how popular they are. Wait til the new wears off.

That table doesn't show popularity...  it's showing K/D of Tiger vs the two M4's.


And btw, give me one reason why the popularity of the (76) should wear off? It's far superior to the other 2 unperked tanks.

[gyrene81]

Pretty amazing that last tour the M4A3(76) had 20.2% of the total kills on Tigers and the only thing even close was the Firefly at 17.1%. This tour is looking worse for the Tiger getting killed by the M4A3(76) scoring 26.8% of total Tiger kills.

The only thing able to rack up a large percentage of kills on the M4A3(76) is that tank...now either that is due to popularity or there is a damage problem, you choose. And it shouldn't be "far superior" to the Panzer IV, more competitive than the 75mm yes due to turret structure and armament, but the hull armor was the same and should have the same vulnerabilities.

I didn't say the new is supposed to wear off, I said wait til it does.

[2bighorn]

Well, if you wanttoi use stats...


Current tour

Tiger vs
M4(75)      Kills 115 Deaths 1 K/D 115
M4(76)w  Kills 949 Deaths 145 K/D 6.54


Yea, Tiger is porked and M4's are overmodeled.  

I didn't comment on in game vehicles. I know nothing about them.

It was response to AWwrgwy's comment about SEseph's post. Nothing more 

[grumpy37]

I have found the new M4's are harder to kill with the Ill2 than just about any other tank.  I kill tigers, panzers, t34's regularly with one pass and the M4's always take 2 or more. 

[Belial]

The new m4a3-76 is the 2nd strongest behind the tiger ATM and it does seem far to hard to kill with solid body hits, the same killzones as I used for tons if firefly kills.


It is glitched.

[Airwolf]

M4 armor is crap, that's one of the reason its call the ronson. Except the french the Sherman had the thinnest armor in the war, only reason it was successful was the numbers it was produced. Instead of unperking the tiger correct the armor in the M4

I disagree.....Japanese tanks were made out of rice paper.....

[E25280]

Amazing how much fail one can stuff in just two sentences 

[321BAR]

here's a hint about the M4s. if you are having trouble penetrating its front, shoot below the front plate where the frontal armor meets the bottom armor. it is weakest here and usually gives a big boom to the driver right afterwards

[Nemisis]

As to BAR's post: The corners in a deflection shot seem to be rather weak as well. Perhaps due to the welds? Takes 2 shots to kill one at 1200yds in the corners if you are good.

[SEseph]

Well, if you wanttoi use stats...


Current tour

Tiger vs
M4(75)      Kills 115 Deaths 1 K/D 115
M4(76)w  Kills 949 Deaths 145 K/D 6.54


Yea, Tiger is porked and M4's are overmodeled.  

Agreed, here's proof for ya
Source: http://fprado.com/armorsite/tiger1.htm

Quote:
The 13.(Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the armor protection of the Tiger: "During a scouting patrol two Tigers encountered about 20 Russian tanks on their front, while additional Russian tanks attacked from behind. A battle developed in which the armor and weapons of the Tiger were extraordinarily successful. Both Tigers were hit (mainly by 76.2 mm armor-piercing shells) 10 or more times at ranges from 500 to 1,000 meters. The armor held up all around. Not a single round penetrated through the armor. Also hits in the running gear, in which the suspension arms were torn away, did not immobilize the Tiger. While 76.2 mm anti-tank shells continuously struck outside the armor, on the inside, undisturbed, the commander, gunner, and loader selected targets, aimed, and fired. The end result was 10 enemy tanks knocked out by two Tigers within 15 minutes" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

Quote:
The truth was that the German industry simply couldn't produce Tigers in sufficient numbers to make any difference in the big picture - it was a task well beyond wartime German industry capabilities. Just as a comparison on productive capabilities, the Russians produced 23,937 T-34/76 from 1942 to 1945. The American Pershing tank was built at a rate of 1,350 tanks over a six month period. When production ceased in June 1945, 49,234 Sherman tanks had been built - more than all the German tank production during the entire war.
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The Tiger I was phased out in 1944. By August of that year 1,300+ had been made. 

[Nemisis]

No way 1300+ tigers were made by the starved german war machine. Ever since 1942, things were going down hill for Germany. Oh sure, they had the initiative at the end of Karkov, and at Kursk, but that was the last time the germans had the stratigic initative on the Eastern Front. Germany was playing defense in Italy and in Normandy.

Fact is that Germany got overambitious, and attacked Russia. What they should have done was consolidated their gains in the west, and fortified France, Belgium, Italy, Denmark and Norway to hell and gone. They could have made a nice little empire for themselves if they'd sat tight. The war was all but won by 1940.  There was no real reason to Invade russia other than oil, and if Germany had focused on Africa instead of Russia, that problem would have been solved by the Middle East.

Just my $0.02

[Spikes]

Yes there were over 1,300 Tiger I's made.

[Lusche]

No way 1300+ tigers were made by the starved german war machine. Ever since 1942, things were going down hill for Germany.

You are aware that production numbers for things like planes, tanks and so on peaked long after 1942, for many items in the second half of 1944 even?

In 1942, Germany produced about 5,500 armored fighting vehicles, in 1943 ~13,600, in 1944 ~19,000.

[Nemisis]

I'm aware of that, but it did them less good than the numbers would indicate. The russians were fielding their T-34's and even starting to field the Is-2's by that time. Su100's were being fielded in 1944, and they could easily destroy a tiger.


And I was thinking of production numbers for the Tiger II, so you are right.