ENY.......

[Chalenge]

It is kind of weird that the Lanc is ENY 5 in EW and 20 in MW and 15 in LW but I think thats because the ENY is affected by how many people use the thing. The rest of the argument revolves around the entire base capture versus furball ideals and the ENY motive to change countries DOES NOT work for base takers. They dont care about furballing (in most cases they dont know how) and they will be taking bases no matter what the ENY is. So limiting them to one bomber wont make much difference either.

I hate to tell you Grumpy but 14:1 is pretty good if you can just get off the ground before they get there. Thats like ideal for getting those kills per time peaking especially if their in Lancs.  

[Hap]

and its automatic answers like that in my opinion that nullify the purpose of the boards

I also.  The "whine has been recorded," responses is really no response.  It's a version of the MA on the boards.

[lyric1]

Having seen what you are talking about Grumpy there is not a lot you can do when a mega squad is on a roll & based off the comments posted I dare say nothing will change. All I can tell you is when the squad in question is steam rolling every thing you really only have two options.

Get out of the way or just be a minor irritant. Seeing ord is the method for Lancs to get airborn I have positioned a GV of some type on base & just wait for the base to flip & knock out the ord as soon as possible. Or even hang out high overhead with a fighter & take out ord that way.

At least if nothing else you will force the Bombers to up from another base & force them to put a little more time & effort in to it.

[Ghosth]

The problem with squadrons rolling bases in lightly numbered arena's is not going to be solved by ENY.

It is going to take peer pressure and discovery that there is more to do in AH. That what they are doing is not good for gameplay or Aces High.


As a general rule bombers are not that effective, certainly no more so than 2 or 3 wirbles or osti's in the town with 4 - 6 fighters capping. Even if bombers were totally unable to fly, the captures would continue at the same or nearly the same rate. So I don't see the advantage in changing anything.

In fact in late war I'd say that hvy fighters are more effective than 80% of the bomber pilots.

[hitech]

Thats ok, with some of the comments you have made to others I don't expect anything.  I play your game because it is cheap entertainment for me and has been for close to 10 years.  Just because I, or anyone else for that matter, may not agree with some of the things you do it is your business and your game and you have the right to do what you wish with it.  In the end I still pay my $15 bucks a month and from a business standpoint that is the most important, but just because you dont like or agree with one of my personal views doesn't mean that im wrong or anything else I say should be ignored if customer retention really is your ultimate goal.

It has nothing to do with if you agree or disagree but the manner in which you post. And your $15 is not even close to the most important thing business wise. Many things such as cheating , behavior , how well you play with others is all more important then any single players $15. To put it simply (and I am not saying you do this) if some one chases away players it is much better to remove them instead of keeping there $15.

HiTech

[grumpy37]

It has nothing to do with if you agree or disagree but the manner in which you post. And your $15 is not even close to the most important thing business wise. Many things such as cheating , behavior , how well you play with others is all more important then any single players $15. To put it simply (and I am not saying you do this) if some one chases away players it is much better to remove them instead of keeping there $15.

HiTech

Interesting you say that considering all the responses after i wrote that actually had so thought put into them and not just the standard flaming that goes on the by the standard flamers on the boards.  IF it is indeed the manor in which i post then i would assume that 90% of the people posting on the boards have lost their credibility as well. 

It is kind of weird that the Lanc is ENY 5 in EW and 20 in MW and 15 in LW but I think thats because the ENY is affected by how many people use the thing. The rest of the argument revolves around the entire base capture versus furball ideals and the ENY motive to change countries DOES NOT work for base takers. They dont care about furballing (in most cases they dont know how) and they will be taking bases no matter what the ENY is. So limiting them to one bomber wont make much difference either.

I hate to tell you Grumpy but 14:1 is pretty good if you can just get off the ground before they get there. Thats like ideal for getting those kills per time peaking especially if their in Lancs. 

I think you hit the nail on the head with that one for sure.  But I dont agree on the limiting to one bomber wouldn't change anything.  A single lanc is far less effective in taking a town or field out then a formation.  This would force more of them to either get into the bomber or find another way.

The problem with squadrons rolling bases in lightly numbered arena's is not going to be solved by ENY.

It is going to take peer pressure and discovery that there is more to do in AH. That what they are doing is not good for gameplay or Aces High.


As a general rule bombers are not that effective, certainly no more so than 2 or 3 wirbles or osti's in the town with 4 - 6 fighters capping. Even if bombers were totally unable to fly, the captures would continue at the same or nearly the same rate. So I don't see the advantage in changing anything.

In fact in late war I'd say that hvy fighters are more effective than 80% of the bomber pilots.

I agree with the LW for sure thats why i focused this on MW.  The peer pressure worked for about a month as the mentioned squad all but deserted the MW arena and went to LW.  Im assuming they all got their AZZ"Z handed to them and now they are back in MW cause its the only place they can thump their chests and feel special.


I appreciate all the serious replies and input.  I havnt spent much time on the boards in the past, mostly cause all the flaming that goes on when someone posts a legit concern that may have been talked about previously.  Like i said I have played this game for close to 10 years under various names and have seen a total shift in the game in the last 2 years or so.  Its turned into "WIN THE WAR" at all costs and that has turned it into more of a "game" and less of a "SIM"

[Chalenge]

Well I can tell you that three single bombers with just three 1k eggs and two 110s with no ord can clear a town. Lancs are not even needed but I love to see lancs because they are big easy kills. I would rather have four formations of lancs over a field than four Jugs any day because in the case of the Lancs it means twelve EASY kills and even if the Jugs are just as easy (usually are) its only four kills.

[grumpy37]

I understand what you are saying but some of us play for more than just the kill.  Big reason why i LIKED MW before was it use to not just be about the kill.  For a long time it had its own style of play that suited the 50 - 60 players that play there on a daily basis.  Now its become all about the kill/base take at any cost, for one particular squad anyway, might as well just close it or make it the 3rd LW arena. 

[InCrypt]

Grumpy, Grumpy, Grumpy, Please, Don’t get in a pissing contest with HiTech, He could smite you, and you’re a good pilot, and a good adversary, and I don’t want to see that happen.

From my perspective, the Playmates left MW for a month to give you guys some breathing room. And it worked! You guys got a lot better! (As the guys on my channel will attest as I’ve cussed at your improvements ) Your strategies have improved, you’re denying us resources needed to mount an effective attack, taking out ord’s, troops, or dar as needed, and at the most auspicious times. It only takes 2 pilots defending a base to start affecting our attack plan to the point we have to adapt and overcome. I can’t tell you how many times I thought we had a base, just to see someone pop up, kill troops, and camp the town throwing our timing off.

I’ve complained about the ENY too, but from the other side. The Bish and the Rooks never seem to fight each other in MW (Theory’s abound about alliances and such ). So when you see numbers of B-6, K-10, R-5, it’s actually more like K10, B/R11; since both Bish and Rook are only attacking the Knights. So those numbers are usually more even than you might think, and we have to contend with an ENY issue at the same time, so technically we’re double handicapped (ENY and two front battle). This siphons off resources to defend 3 bases, limiting what we can bring while we attack a fourth. We attack because we get tired of defending 4 bases (Patton’s adage “Defend? Let them defend! ATTACK!”).

In the end, I can see using ENY to affect BOX formation and ordinance as another interesting (Albeit sometimes annoying) dynamic to the game. But in the same breath so would affecting ordinance, fuel, and other resources available at a base by a graded level, rather than an All-On or All-off as presently modeled. If you loose half your ords, you can only get half a bomb load (Not sure if this has already been done a long time ago or not). But again, it would add an interesting dynamic to the game play, and after all, it is a game (As so many of my team mates often have to remind me as I storm off to wail on my punching bag after getting shot down yet again, and usually by you!)

[RTHolmes]

the Lanc is ENY 5 in EW and 20 in MW and 15 in LW

that is odd

[gyrene81]

I understand what you are saying but some of us play for more than just the kill.  Big reason why i LIKED MW before was it use to not just be about the kill.  For a long time it had its own style of play that suited the 50 - 60 players that play there on a daily basis.  Now its become all about the kill/base take at any cost, for one particular squad anyway, might as well just close it or make it the 3rd LW arena. 

Never ceases to amaze me how people let the behavior of others dictate their own personal behavior. The MW is always an adventure but very rarely does the adventure include more than 3 or 4 players in a grid. Sounds to me like one squad is farming points by rolling bases and hoping someone will oppose them, that's teamwork. If no one makes an concerted effort to oppose them, it's not their fault, they can only do what the other players allow them to do. If you feel compelled to put up a fight and no one else on your side does, not even a change in ENY or anything else is going to change what happens.

[grumpy37]

See Rule #4

[Ack-Ack]

Sounds to me like one squad is farming points by rolling bases and hoping someone will oppose them, that's teamwork. If no one makes an concerted effort to oppose them, it's not their fault, they can only do what the other players allow them to do.

Ususally when the particular squadron being discussed encounters opposition at the base they're attacking, the squadron will usually move on to another base that isn't being defended.  The only time they'll stick around and continue their attack on a base that is being defended is if the defenders can only muster 1 or 2 defenders and the attacking squadron can easily over power them with their sheer numbers.  However, if the 1-2 defenders prove to be rather skillful and chew up the attackers a couple of times, this particular squadron will move elsewhere and hit an undefended base.

Basically, a fight is not what this squadron is looking for, just base captures and resetting the map.

ack-ack

[Lusche]

If no one makes an concerted effort to oppose them, it's not their fault, they can only do what the other players allow them to do.

When I was still playing EW on a regular base, there was this squad (actually 2 of them) flying Bish all the time and rolling bases. You had numbers like 14-2-0. They used exactly this line of argumentation "Is it our fault Rooks and Knights don't show up to defend their bases?"
Of course, if someone did and really started to make things difficult, they switched the target and attacked the other country...

[gyrene81]

Ususally when the particular squadron being discussed encounters opposition at the base they're attacking, the squadron will usually move on to another base that isn't being defended.  The only time they'll stick around and continue their attack on a base that is being defended is if the defenders can only muster 1 or 2 defenders and the attacking squadron can easily over power them with their sheer numbers.  However, if the 1-2 defenders prove to be rather skillful and chew up the attackers a couple of times, this particular squadron will move elsewhere and hit an undefended base.

Basically, a fight is not what this squadron is looking for, just base captures and resetting the map.

ack-ack

I've watched them pull their stunts on several occasions. Even seen a few of them log off when opposition got too tough. It's shameful but, it's like "other peoples kids"...can't teach them right from wrong, just make them go home and wish they weren't so stupid. Thing is, everyone else in the MW arena is usually more focused on furballing, which allows the scabs being discussed to do their thing. If you really think about it, they're hilarious...seriously how lame and unskilled do you have to be to milk run a sparsely populated arena?