Satalite Internet users....

[fudgums]

Want to know some BS?  The Cable wires stop 4 miles from my house and the closest DSL hub is 3.2 miles away.  From what I've read the max range of a 1.5MBps connection from DSL is 3.1 miles.  I still hold hope that cable/DSL will extend coverage to more areas throughout the country quickly though.
Around here anyways we are getting all new Cable internet wires and more DSL hubs (or whatever it is that extends coverage) so there is hope.
I would love DSL personally, cheap, reliable, fast, no bandwidth, low ping, etc.

Im in the same boat.

[Bear76]

I live rather rural myself . I have one question for those of you that live in the brush . Why not dsl ? No need for second phone line as dsl uses different freq. then phone does . It is competitively priced , while not as fast as cable . Mine seems to be far more stable then over sold cable system in town . My variance in delay never gets to 100 ms . It is not so good for the dl of files . It does seem to work great for the game . The equipment is fairly old as well . Not long ago your only choice was a party line ,where I live .

Party lines, those were a hoot

[AAJagerX]

some people really exaggerate their ping rates, by a lot in most cases. If Im constantly over 1000ms, I don't fly or just log off completely. I'm usually around 500ms, which isn't bad considering that when I was on dialup, it was around 250-300ms.

With our RF connection we usually get between 40-120 ping.  Time warner cable was 120-300.  Verizon aircard was 170-450. 

[grumpy37]

Interesting to see all the different pings and such.  I didnt notice much of a difference between DSL and Cable but i live very close to the hub for DSL. 

[thndregg]

I live rather rural myself . I have one question for those of you that live in the brush . Why not dsl ? No need for second phone line as dsl uses different freq. then phone does . It is competitively priced , while not as fast as cable . Mine seems to be far more stable then over sold cable system in town . My variance in delay never gets to 100 ms . It is not so good for the dl of files . It does seem to work great for the game . The equipment is fairly old as well . Not long ago your only choice was a party line ,where I live .

Ordinarily, I have had little trouble with my DSL. As of late, it has been crap for the past week & a half. I simply can't play. Qwest's automated help is a joke. Live help is not much better. And this is what I'm faced with. Try playing with this sort of mess.

[WMLute]

I miss my old internet setup when I was in Oklahoma City.

I had a full T1 that was managed by AT&T who also hosts the AcesHigh servers.

From my house the first hop was to Dallas and I was at AcesHigh within 4-5 hops total ALL on AT&T.

14ms smooth as silk.

The downside of course was I lived in Oklahoma City.

[AAJagerX]

Ordinarily, I have had little trouble with my DSL. As of late, it has been crap for the past week & a half. I simply can't play. Qwest's automated help is a joke. Live help is not much better. And this is what I'm faced with. Try playing with this sort of mess.
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Have you sent that info to your ISP?

EDIT: Are you on WiFi and using Windows 7?

[thndregg]

Have you sent that info to your ISP?

EDIT: Are you on WiFi and using Windows 7?

Go to Qwest's website and tell me how I can do it. My first thought was presenting this sample to them. Their help system/e-mail method does not allow for sending images such as this. Otherwise I'd jump all over it. The other thing that irritates me is Qwest took over and closed the local telephone company's office last year. I now have to travel about an hour to their office in Boise, ID. to get this straightened out.

WiFi? No. Windows 7? Yes.

[hitech]

Go to Qwest's website and tell me how I can do it. My first thought was presenting this sample to them. Their help system/e-mail method does not allow for sending images such as this. Otherwise I'd jump all over it. The other thing that irritates me is Qwest took over and closed the local telephone company's office last year. I now have to travel about an hour to their office in Boise, ID. to get this straightened out.

WiFi? No. Windows 7? Yes.

Ping each hop on that list going backwards.  (or binary search method or forward your choice) At some point the packet lost will stop and you will have found the point with the problem.

It will also Isolate if the problem is yours.


HiTech

[thndregg]

Ping each hop on that list going backwards.  (or binary search method or forward your choice) At some point the packet lost will stop and you will have found the point with the problem.

It will also Isolate if the problem is yours.


HiTech

Thanks Dale. I'm still tinkering with it.

[Ghastly]

Thundregg, I'm pretty sure that Pingplotter already does the "ping each hop" after establishing the route, so you are seeing the same thing you'd see if you worked forward/backward/binary stepping as Hitech suggested.  And given that you are seeing significant loss right out the gate, I'd suspect something on your own network, or (90% plus certainty), something likely wrong with or at your router.

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[thndregg]

Thundregg, I'm pretty sure that Pingplotter already does the "ping each hop" after establishing the route, so you are seeing the same thing you'd see if you worked forward/backward/binary stepping as Hitech suggested.  And given that you are seeing significant loss right out the gate, I'd suspect something on your own network, or (90% plus certainty), something likely wrong with or at your router.

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If I follow you, that is this, correct? My network connection and DSL modem so far as I can tell work normally.

[thndregg]

This is hop 2. That is where the trouble sits, as far as I know.


EDIT: I doubleclicked every hop. Some hops still do not show, regardless. This is a fresh graph.

[Ghastly]

Exactly

10.0.0.2 is almost certainly your router (or DSL Modem with built in ROUTER if that's what you have), while 67.41.38.202 is the next device/router that is visible to TCP/IP on the Qwest network that you connect to.  

If you are connected:

[COMPUTER]<->[ROUTER]<--->[DSL MODEM] <--> [REST OF QWEST NETWORK]

then 67.41.38.202 would be the Ethernet hardware of the DSL modem, but chances are far better that you are connected:

[COMPUTER]<->[DSL MODEM with built-in ROUTER] <--> [REST OF QWEST NETWORK]

So that the 67.41.38.202 address represents the first router on the other side of your DSL modem.

The modem portion of the DSL modem (and the rest of the infrastructure up to the next router) is "invisible" as far as TCP/IP is concerned, so either the modem or the Qwest network (lines or hardware) to the first router is bad or overloaded.

Since you have no problem's pinging the 10.0.0.2 address, you've nearly eliminated the possibility of something inside your ethernet network - or in the software in your computer - interfering with your traffic.

But one of the best ways for the  "rest of the infrastructure up to the next router" to be bad is to have things plugged in without the line filters in place where they should be or to have them filtering where they shouldn't be, so while it may be a Qwest problem, the first thing I'd do is double triple quadruple check that there's nothing else plugged into any phone jack anywhere else in the house, and then test.

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[Rebel]

 

Can we get that in English please?  LOL  Anyway i agree with some kind of limit to the amount or percentage of packet loss and you get kicked or not allowed to log in.  Many other online games do the same thing though its usually ping related.  I know that would piss off a certain amount of players and im not saying its what should be done here.  The packet loss reason for warping makes sense but is irritating at the same time.  Seems certain players tend to warp when it works for them, for example when guns are fired on their six.  One particular player seems to do this on a regular basis.

What he's saying is signal speed varies based on what it goes through.  It goes faster through open space (with the optimum being space itself- completely void of any kind of resistance), then it does down a copper line via conduit.

Add to that the number of different places and doors it has to go through (different routers/server farms along the way), and it only gets worse.  Kind of like why airplanes are more effiecent then cars.  To get from New York to LA is actually WAY more efficent on a plane then it is in a car because the car will actually wind up traveling nearly twice the distance and through heavier resistance.