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Offline Ack-Ack

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Re: JU87g...again
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2010, 01:24:41 AM »
We've had the coversation before and yes, D-5 has them aswell. :)

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Don't recall we've ever had a conversation before on this.  Anyway, it seems we're both right.  The initial production run of the D-5 did retain the dive brakes but later as the Stuka's role changed and was used almost exclusively in the anti-tank/close ground support role, the dive brakes weren't on the later production runs.

So back to Pyro's initial question about the G-1 having dive brakes.  It is my understanding that only the factory produced G-1s didn't have the dive brakes but the D-3s that were converted and redesignated as G-1s still retained the dive brakes as with the D-3s that received the 37mm Flak 18 cannons but weren't redesignated.  Would this mean that the D-5s that were converted to G-2s on the field would have retained the dive brakes as well?

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Re: JU87g...again
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2010, 04:17:59 AM »
Anecdotal only but Rudel mentioned in his book that you couldn't really dive with G model due to stress and they usually flew very near the ground anyway. I guess that shooting through top of the tank was not considered necessary due to accuracy and penetration capability of their 37mms. IIRC the accuracy of top pilots was about a foot diameter so it was pretty accurate.

Maybe the cannon attachment points could not handle the stress from pulling out of dive or diving too fast would wrench the guns affecting accuracy? Due to increased drag I'd imagine the G probably did not have a phenomenal dive speed either...

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Re: JU87g...again
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2010, 10:50:34 AM »
Yeah I guess you could say they flew close to the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU6OK1zSxKg

Still a high angle of attack, check out the convergence.
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Re: JU87g...again
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2010, 01:27:47 PM »
If the AH gods grant us with this then I want the sound effects from that film..... :devil
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Re: JU87g...again
« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2010, 06:12:31 PM »
Yeah I guess you could say they flew close to the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU6OK1zSxKg

Still a high angle of attack, check out the convergence.

Another Nazi propaganda film featuring Hans Rudel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLDhZH0-aDU&feature=related

Looking at the blasts from the impacting 37mm rounds sure makes it look like it's from a far bigger gun, looks like the 75mm impact blasts from the B-25H in game.

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Re: JU87g...again
« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2010, 06:44:13 PM »
If the AH gods grant us with this then I want the sound effects from that film..... :devil

Already got em on standby. :aok
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Re: JU87g...again
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2010, 06:52:23 PM »
It would only require an additional ordnance package of the 37mm Flak 18 gun pods for the D-3 to make it into a G-1, no time would be needed to be spent on updating the Stuka plane model.

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Wouldn't the greatly increased drag of the gun pods have to be modeled...?
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Re: JU87g...again
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2010, 07:06:38 PM »
Wouldn't the greatly increased drag of the gun pods have to be modeled...?
Wasn't as big of an effect as you're thinking. One reference Ack Ack put up showed about a 10mph difference in level flight.



Looking at the blasts from the impacting 37mm rounds sure makes it look like it's from a far bigger gun, looks like the 75mm impact blasts from the B-25H in game.

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The blasts for 37mm's in AH are about as big as those scenes if you see them close up.
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Re: JU87g...again
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2010, 04:14:50 PM »
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Re: JU87g...again
« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2010, 08:53:50 PM »
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