More german bombers

[gyrene81]

What I don't get is that since this is clearly a wanted addition, and that it would clearly add to the game, why HTC hasn't added it.

Lack of substantial documentation on flight characteristics...probably. I'm sure if someone did the research and submitted the needed information, HTC would put it on the "to do" list.

I could do the sharp stick jab on HTC at this point but I'll let it go.

[Rino]

What I don't get is that since this is clearly a wanted addition, and that it would clearly add to the game, why HTC hasn't added it.

     Because they have different priorities?  Don't get me wrong, I like new things as much as anyone else.
I do wonder if the 80+ something different options we have now are not enough, what will be?

[jolly22]

I've been begging for the HE-177 for the longest time, i still think it will get more use than the lancaster. Possibly than the 234s

[sparow]

Forgive me, Luftwaffe fans, but HTC should start in the beggining. That means the He-111. Of course, I am all for the He-177 but not before many others are taken care of...

I know, I'm a suspect fan of scenarios that gets tired of chasing Ju-88's in Hurri I's... And, come on, you must agree that for the average MA flyer, you do not need a gourmet 177 to divebomb a CV... You have the Lancastuka for that...

He-111, yes, please, ASAP.

[Tinribs]

Lots of posts on this, the he-111 is a must

[BrownBaron]

But what use would it find in the MA?

Next to none. The only real advantage it has over the 88 is defensive armament, and the limited range of the guns creates several "blind spots" in the gunners ,for lack of a better term, area-in-which-he-can-return-fire.

[thndregg]

What I don't get is that since this is clearly a wanted addition, and that it would clearly add to the game, why HTC hasn't added it.

Research. Good, accurate research to model it as correctly as possible. I can't imagine the brain cramping by the HTC crew to get it right.

[Nemisis]

Rino besides legal issues, server crashes, and making sure you're not being robbed, what takes priority over making your source of income happy?

[Lusche]

I would really be massively p***** o** if we get another slow & vulnerable  German early war bomber instead of trying to close that giant MA Luftwaffe bomber gap first with a plane that's at least a bit more survivable.

[Karnak]

I've been begging for the HE-177 for the longest time, i still think it will get more use than the lancaster. Possibly than the 234s

This sentence doesn't make sense.  If you think it would get more use than the Lancaster (likely, given none of its horrible failings would be modeled) how do you think it would only possibly get more use than the Ar234?  The Lancaster sees vastly more use than the Ar234 in AH.

Frankly, to my mind the fact that it would see more use than the Lancaster, and likely the B-24 and B-17, despite being a total non-factor in WWII is the biggest argument against adding it.

For my part, I'd love to see a Ju188A.

[BrownBaron]

This sentence doesn't make sense.  If you think it would get more use than the Lancaster (likely, given none of its horrible failings would be modeled) how do you think it would only possibly get more use than the Ar234?  The Lancaster sees vastly more use than the Ar234 in AH.

Frankly, to my mind the fact that it would see more use than the Lancaster, and likely the B-24 and B-17, despite being a total non-factor in WWII is the biggest argument against adding it.

For my part, I'd love to see a Ju188A.

The MA is not based off of the war.

I'm rather sure i've never read a thing about Stuka's sinking USN aircraft carriers, but it happens on a regular basis in the MA, and is a part of the gameplay.

Whether it was relevant to the actual war or not, it would fill a large gap in our plane set, and perhaps convert a few spit dweebs to luftweenies in the process.

[Karnak]

The MA is not based off of the war.

I'm rather sure i've never read a thing about Stuka's sinking USN aircraft carriers, but it happens on a regular basis in the MA, and is a part of the gameplay.

Whether it was relevant to the actual war or not, it would fill a large gap in our plane set, and perhaps convert a few spit dweebs to luftweenies in the process.

It would fill no gap.  In the MA you can use whatever heavy you like, thus no particular heavy is needed.

In scenarios it is useless due to the fact that it was a non-factor.

The only place it would fill a gap is if we were looking to do a Fighter Aces style US vs UK vs USSR vs Germany vs Japan environment, in which case we'd need heavy German, Japanese and Russian bombers.  Outside of that we don't need heavy Russian, German and Japanese bombers as they played so slight a part in the war.

Also, why do you think any "spit dweeb" would convert to be a "luftweenie" for a bomber?

[RaptorL]

But what use would it find in the MA?

Next to none. The only real advantage it has over the 88 is defensive armament, and the limited range of the guns creates several "blind spots" in the gunners ,for lack of a better term, area-in-which-he-can-return-fire.

So does the B-25 C, now shut up and let me have my He-111.

[BrownBaron]

It would fill no gap.  In the MA you can use whatever heavy you like, thus no particular heavy is needed.

Going by this logic, we have plenty of fighters and GV's, why add more?

In scenarios it is useless due to the fact that it was a non-factor.

The 163 probably had a much smaller effect on the war, yet, there it is sitting in the hangar.

Also, why do you think any "spit dweeb" would convert to be a "luftweenie" for a bomber?

If they're anything like me, they'll get a kick out of beating the other fellow in what so many hold to be inferior machinery, and perhaps begin using Axis airframes more often.

So does the B-25 C, now shut up and let me have my He-111.

Did you not see the specs I posted above? The 177 is superior in nearly every way. The B-25 also has fewer defensive guns, and a larger bombload, but still retains a more efficient layout.

One of the reason's my squad is not content with the 88 is its range. The Heinkel 111 has a little LESS range than the Junkers 88, while the 177 has more than twice the range!

[jolly22]

I would really be massively p***** o** if we get another slow & vulnerable  German early war bomber instead of trying to close that giant MA Luftwaffe bomber gap first with a plane that's at least a bit more survivable.

well, its just that people in this game are too lazy to fly the bombers correctly. In WWII bombers flew up to 20-30k. In Aces, bombers go anywhere from 0-20k.