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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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Re: LCD Monitors
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2010, 04:06:41 AM »
Yes I would have to agree that the difference between 3ms to 5ms is "noticeable" to the human eye.

Except the 5ms that the manufacturer reports has often been measured to be 15-19ms. They cheat on the specs and that's why making a statement '3 ms is like day and nite different from 5ms' is just not valid untill we're talking about real world measured refreshes.
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Re: LCD Monitors
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2010, 05:57:15 PM »
Except the 5ms that the manufacturer reports has often been measured to be 15-19ms. They cheat on the specs and that's why making a statement '3 ms is like day and nite different from 5ms' is just not valid untill we're talking about real world measured refreshes.

I'll grant you that--as with anything manufactured the varibles will make up the total sum. But the advertised info does give some indication of what a device can/will do. The basic truth of the design is still valid.

Would you dispute that a 3ms response time IS NOT faster than a 5ms response time, given all else is equal?

I would like to believe that your position is not based on the basics of design but on the varibles surrounding the basic design, no? The reality of manufacturing is that 2 of the exact same design will not even measure out exactly the same........................s o the question for us as humans is how far to the right do you want to push the "decimal point" of real-world measurement to satisfy one's definition of "real" & quantifiable?

Not pushing an argument here--am really trying to stop any from starting.

This very statement that I typed is the very reason why I went to a retailer who carries & sells the units that I was looking at to buy to see them up front & in operation.

I don't need to see the EXACT same unit, the same unit family is close enough for me (same features, design parameters, etc w/ the differences only in size & response times-the actual unit I'm buying has a FASTER response time so I expect the same quality as the example if not better).

So in the end of things the truth of this statement is really in the eyes of the beholder, no?

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Re: LCD Monitors
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2010, 06:07:59 PM »
no it really doesnt. manufacturers are trying to sell us stuff, so they lie to us. or in some cases make mistakes. some are better than others. sometimes.
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Re: LCD Monitors
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2010, 06:10:23 PM »
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,271054.0.html

Pudgie, I can't quite figure out what you're saying or trying to say, but I will agree with you that you need to see it to know what you're getting.  RtHolmes is spot on - the only way the monitor I bought (see the post) was 8 ms was via creative marketing. I have an ancient Sony LCD left over from a work upgrade rated at 25 ms that's actually faster.

You definitely can't buy sight unseen by specs any more.

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Re: LCD Monitors
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2010, 11:57:16 PM »
The HP 2710m came in today.

Opened the box & this baby is going to take some time for me to get used to........................... .it's BIG!
Put my EVGA GTX 470 SC vid card back in my box & set it all up.
Loaded up 257.21 WHQL drivers for vid card & drivers for the new monitor.

This monitor has exceeded all expectations that I had!

No dead pixels, 1 darn sharp picture w/ colors that just pop out at you! I am running this monitor in it's Auto Mode setting (auto sets itself according to room lighting). This thing is just beautiful to see.

I've been missing out!

I see what you mean, BE!

Fired up AHII & went up. Absolutely NO ghosting, blurring of any kind regardless of how fast the scenes are moving.

The 2.5ms response time is definately living up to it's advertised capabilities! Even at 60Hz.

If anyone is looking for a LCD monitor for gaming I would recommend to consider this model.

It comes in 3 sizes:

23", 25" & 27" (I got the 27" version)

1 happy camper now!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: LCD Monitors
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2010, 03:16:05 AM »
just set my ZR22 up too, first impression very nice, noticeably better colour than anything Ive used before (using SilkyPix for RAW photo stuff.)


anyone know if theres something I can test ghosting etc with without using AH? dont have GPU installed yet :(
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Re: LCD Monitors
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2010, 07:23:18 AM »
Holmes, to test the effect of ghosting i would suggest you use one of the many online or downloadable apps.

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/testsoftware/ghosting-test.html
« Last Edit: July 11, 2010, 07:33:53 AM by Kazaa »



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Re: LCD Monitors
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2010, 08:00:53 AM »
ty this is exactly what I was looking for :)

http://www.prad.de/download/pixperan_english.zip

... of course theres not much point testing it with onchip graphcs though, will do it when I get 9800 installed again.
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