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Offline Angus

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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2010, 01:03:01 PM »
No. .50 cal works fine.

Like those 2x50 on your avatar :D
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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2010, 01:14:39 PM »
How about Geico guns? So easy a caveman can shoot 'em. :rofl


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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2010, 01:28:14 PM »
How about Geico guns? So easy a caveman can shoot 'em. :rofl

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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2010, 05:10:50 PM »
For Twenty Two years in the Infantry they were .50cal or Ma Duce.  It was that way with my Father during WWII and is still the same with our troops today.  What else needs to be said.

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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2010, 05:12:19 PM »
Can openers?

Thats the 75mm HE cannon on the B-25H
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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2010, 09:02:33 AM »
Thats the 75mm HE cannon on the B-25H

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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2010, 02:11:08 PM »
does anyone notice that out of all the aircraft armament in the game, that the M2 .50 cals seem to make enemies catch fire the most? it happens to me atleast....

thats why i think they should be affectionally known as "candle lighters" :aok :lol
50 cals are screwed up right now as far as I know. You can be in a pony, hit a fighter over 100 times from a range of 400-600 out and he doesn't flame up or take serious damage like he should. Take a look at AH 50 cal, then take a look at 50 cal gun footage from WWII, here's the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP-_cVgKSG0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhWelWiqfvI&feature=related

Both are extremly different, 50 cal actually does something in this video then what they do in AH.
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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2010, 03:47:54 PM »
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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2010, 04:35:34 PM »
50 cals are screwed up right now as far as I know. You can be in a pony, hit a fighter over 100 times from a range of 400-600 out and he doesn't flame up or take serious damage like he should. Take a look at AH 50 cal, then take a look at 50 cal gun footage from WWII, here's the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP-_cVgKSG0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhWelWiqfvI&feature=related

Both are extremly different, 50 cal actually does something in this video then what they do in AH.

I fly .50 cal planes 99% of the time and I see no problem with them ripping and shredding my opponents to pieces when I get them on target.
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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2010, 04:53:59 PM »
50 cals are screwed up right now as far as I know. You can be in a pony, hit a fighter over 100 times from a range of 400-600 out and he doesn't flame up or take serious damage like he should. Take a look at AH 50 cal, then take a look at 50 cal gun footage from WWII, here's the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP-_cVgKSG0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhWelWiqfvI&feature=related

Both are extremly different, 50 cal actually does something in this video then what they do in AH.

If one is having troubles shooting anything down using .50 calibers the problem isn't the gun, it's the gunner.  There is nothing wrong with the .50 calibers, it has been proven time and time again that there is nothing wrong.  I don't know why people keep insisting on attributing their shortcomings on the game.

The 4x .50 calibers are the primary guns I use in the P-38J, I only use 20mm cannons for bandits 200 yards or closer and most of my shots are in the 450 to 300 yard range which are done with my .50 calibers only.  I have never had any issues where my shots didn't do any damage when I've connected with a solid burst.  In fact, there really isn't a plane in the game that can survive a concentrated burst of .50 calibers (when I'm talking about a concentrated burst, I am referring to hitting the convergence point).  If you're hitting outside or inside of the convergence point, your shots will be scattered and will not have the same hitting power as you would get by hitting at the convergence point.  Not only are not you not getting the full hitting power, you're also wasting a lot of rounds by not hitting at the convergence.

It also shouldn't take much ammo either to shoot down a plane, you can easily shoot down a plane with just a few rounds, depending where on the plane you hit.  Aim for the known structural weak points in the air frame, the cockpit and/or engine and you'll see how easy it is to kill with a single burst of .50s.  It takes me around 100 .50 caliber rounds to shoot down another fighter and I still think that takes too much so now I'm concentrating more on aiming for the cockpit instead of my usual aiming point of the wing root and tail section.  The only time I expend a lot of .50s on an airplane is when I'm attacking bombers, usually takes close to 600 rounds or so for the entire formation, a lot less if I use 20mm (which is the only other time I use 20mm) cannons.

In short, it's not the game.

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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2010, 06:21:30 PM »
I fly .50 cal planes 99% of the time and I see no problem with them ripping and shredding my opponents to pieces when I get them on target.
Cause it rips pieces off bit by bit instead of ripping it all at once like in the videos.  As you saw in the first video, the 109 is actually taking serious damage just by a few hits then hundreds like AH. As I watched films before this whole update a year ago, the 50's were pretty accurate, few hits to the plane took off pieces and did some damage, now they can't do anything like before.

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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2010, 06:26:02 PM »
Cause it rips pieces off bit by bit instead of ripping it all at once like in the videos.  As you saw in the first video, the 109 is actually taking serious damage just by a few hits then hundreds like AH. As I watched films before this whole update a year ago, the 50's were pretty accurate, few hits to the plane took off pieces and did some damage, now they can't do anything like before.

.50s do the same thing in game if you hit at the convergence points.  There hasn't been any changes to the lethality of the .50 calibers, it didn't 'work fine a few years ago' and now suddenly it's porked now.  The problem is you, not the guns and all the YouTube videos in the world isn't going to prove your right.

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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2010, 06:30:41 PM »
If one is having troubles shooting anything down using .50 calibers the problem isn't the gun, it's the gunner.  There is nothing wrong with the .50 calibers, it has been proven time and time again that there is nothing wrong.  I don't know why people keep insisting on attributing their shortcomings on the game.

The 4x .50 calibers are the primary guns I use in the P-38J, I only use 20mm cannons for bandits 200 yards or closer and most of my shots are in the 450 to 300 yard range which are done with my .50 calibers only.  I have never had any issues where my shots didn't do any damage when I've connected with a solid burst.  In fact, there really isn't a plane in the game that can survive a concentrated burst of .50 calibers (when I'm talking about a concentrated burst, I am referring to hitting the convergence point).  If you're hitting outside or inside of the convergence point, your shots will be scattered and will not have the same hitting power as you would get by hitting at the convergence point.  Not only are not you not getting the full hitting power, you're also wasting a lot of rounds by not hitting at the convergence.

It also shouldn't take much ammo either to shoot down a plane, you can easily shoot down a plane with just a few rounds, depending where on the plane you hit.  Aim for the known structural weak points in the air frame, the cockpit and/or engine and you'll see how easy it is to kill with a single burst of .50s.  It takes me around 100 .50 caliber rounds to shoot down another fighter and I still think that takes too much so now I'm concentrating more on aiming for the cockpit instead of my usual aiming point of the wing root and tail section.  The only time I expend a lot of .50s on an airplane is when I'm attacking bombers, usually takes close to 600 rounds or so for the entire formation, a lot less if I use 20mm (which is the only other time I use 20mm) cannons.

In short, it's not the game.

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Well, lets see, 38J has 4 50 cals and 1 20mm, pony has 4-6 50 cals, they should be able to do the same thing to a plane if your only using 50's. Trust me, the 50's don't do damage like they should, I'll be lucky if I even hit the pilot in one pass. Bombers I can understand, fighters like a 109 should be down within 20-30 rounds.

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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2010, 06:33:43 PM »
.50s do the same thing in game if you hit at the convergence points.  There hasn't been any changes to the lethality of the .50 calibers, it didn't 'work fine a few years ago' and now suddenly it's porked now.  The problem is you, not the guns and all the YouTube videos in the world isn't going to prove your right.

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If videos shows what 50's did to a fighter within some hits, then AH has them really wrong if you have to hit someone near dozens of times just to take one plane down.

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Re: new nickname for browning .50 cals
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2010, 06:45:17 PM »
Well, lets see, 38J has 4 50 cals and 1 20mm, pony has 4-6 50 cals, they should be able to do the same thing to a plane if your only using 50's. Trust me, the 50's don't do damage like they should, I'll be lucky if I even hit the pilot in one pass. Bombers I can understand, fighters like a 109 should be down within 20-30 rounds.

They do.  Would you like me to post a series of films with 6+ kills using only .50 calibers and still landing with over a 1000 rounds left?

If videos shows what 50's did to a fighter within some hits, then AH has them really wrong if you have to hit someone near dozens of times just to take one plane down.

The reason why it's taking you a lot of rounds to kill something with .50 cals is your own gunnery.  It's not the game, I don't know how many times myself or others have to tell you this.  You have not provided one single bit of evidence to show how the .50 cals work but if you were to take the time and search the forums, you'll see how this issue has already been addressed and proven that there is nothing wrong with the .50s.

Your problem is:
1)  You are not hitting at the convergence point
2)  You are not hitting vital areas on the plane (aim for structural weak points (i.e. wing root, tail section), engine, and/or cockpit))
3)  You are not firing at a plane at a slight angle when approaching from a six.  You will hit with less rounds and do less damage from a pure six position, off set your approach where you come in at an angle to their six position, you'll have more of the fuselage to hit with your rounds, increasing the likelihood of scoring a critical hit.


Once you get over your hubris and realize that problem isn't with the game, you'll see a dramatic improvement in your abilities.  If you don't, you'll never improve beyond the level you're already at and you'll continue to make posts with incorrect assertions on how the game is broken.

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