trouble with ENY

[viking73]

The dreaded ENY calculations should be done a different way. Of course I think the ENY issue is bogus anyway but these two screenshots show the problem.

When there is a low number of people the ENY factor is easily jacked up. In this example there are only 9 more than the lowest but there is an ENY of 10.



However in this example, there are 60 more players than the lowest yet the ENY is only 8. 6 times more than the first example but less ENY.

[Lusche]

Relative numbers, baby, relative...

only "9 players more" sounds so little... but 19 to 10 is something completely different than for example 109 to 100. In one case you have almost double the number of players, in the other less than 10% more.

So in your screens, it's

42.2% to 22.2% - ENY 10.3
42.6% to 27.0% - ENY 8.6


Makes sense to me.

[Kev367th]

Relative numbers, baby, relative...

only "9 players more" sounds so little... but 19 to 10 is something completely different than for example 109 to 100. In one case you have almost double the number of players, in the other less than 10% more.

So in your screens, it's

42.2% to 22.2% - ENY 10.3
42.6% to 27.0% - ENY 8.6


Makes sense to me.

Dam, you just got in ahead of me. 

Yup its relativity

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Dam, you just got in ahead of me. 

Yup its relativity

Or some other 'ty' ending ..

[uptown]

I didn't think I've ever see the day when a guy from the 80th has issues with the ENY.

[321BAR]

the only time i have eny problems is when im in a P51D instead of my zekes...

[froger]

as you know,
lots of great planes to fly when ENY is jacked.

froger

[guncrasher]

Relative numbers, baby, relative...

only "9 players more" sounds so little... but 19 to 10 is something completely different than for example 109 to 100. In one case you have almost double the number of players, in the other less than 10% more.

So in your screens, it's

42.2% to 22.2% - ENY 10.3
42.6% to 27.0% - ENY 8.6


Makes sense to me.

Percentages dont make sense with such low numbers.  to make it simple lets say there's only two countries and one has 20 the other has 10.  so lets say 5 (25%) from the high player country attack a base.  the low number country ups 3 players (33% to simplify).  3 players can easily hold back 5 and I bet that 1 player can hold back all 5.  since most fights will be 1v1 or 2v1 if that.  and even if it is 3v1 it will be hard to kill town and sneak in a goon.  It can be done but the fights will mostly be about furballing since the numbers are really low on both countries.

now does eny really make sense with such low numbers?  Not really, this is why people hate eny.   It would make a difference if it was 100 against 50 since there would be more attackers and fights would now be 5v1 or 6v1 since defenders would not really  up at same time and would only be picked one at a time.




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[WMLute]

If one player is holding off 5 then the five really need to get some training.

[BrownBaron]

If one player is holding off 5 then the five really need to get some training.

This.

The ENY is fine. Relative numbers, this is relatively smal compared to this, blah blah blah blah.

[Lusche]

Percentages dont make sense with such low numbers.  

They do, that's the beauty of math. 10-5 is outnumbering the enemy by 100%, and so is 100-50.
And with the rest of your posting you are just awkwardly trying to construct something. I could do the same thing for arenas with high total player count

Yesterday (see other thread) there were 5 guys in EW fighting against 1 to grab his bases. Guess I should have told him with so small total numbers, they didn't really outnumber him  

now does eny really make sense with such low numbers?  Not really, this is why people hate eny.

No it's not. Almost all complains about ENY come from LW arenas not having low numbers.
They just hate it because it sometimes forces them to consider flying an eny 10 or (behold!) eny 20 plane. They hate it, because they only notice ENY when it hits them, never when it's applied against the enemy. They hate it, because they can't figure out the difference between relative and absolute...

[Kev367th]

I'm guessing it has changed, but -
Wasn't there a min number in the arenas before ENY became active?

[Lusche]

I'm guessing it has changed, but -
Wasn't there a min number in the arenas before ENY became active?

Yes, there is... I just don't know the exact number right now, but in his 1st screenshot, there are 45 players total, that's a lot higher than the minimum (I think it's like 10 players or so)

[Sincraft]

oh I thought this was going to be one of those:

-Why is it that when the bish outnumber, their eny ratio appears less than the knights or the rooks when they outnumber?

Glad it isn't, I believe that topic is taboo!

[viking73]

Relative numbers, baby, relative...

only "9 players more" sounds so little... but 19 to 10 is something completely different than for example 109 to 100. In one case you have almost double the number of players, in the other less than 10% more.

So in your screens, it's

42.2% to 22.2% - ENY 10.3
42.6% to 27.0% - ENY 8.6


Makes sense to me.

Math wise ya, I understand. My main point. Your using percentages. I'm saying 60 is a bunch of extra player no matter how many are on and 9 is little no matter how many are on. If i'm on with 5 others, 9 more isn't bad cause it's a big map (usually). But 60 is a problem.