BT-42 tank/assault Gun

[Imowface]

My wish is for the Finnish BT-42, here is an excerpt from a web source giving a brief discription "As the Second World War progressed, the Soviets were fielding better and better tanks. The Finnish Army, on the other hand, had to make due with a large number of captured tanks, which were for the most part lightly armored and armed. The Finns decided to redesign the BT-7 model 1937 tank. They constructed a new turret and armed it with British-made 114.3 mm howitzers that had been supplied by the British during the Winter War (Q.F. 4,5 inch howitzer Mark II, also known as 114 Psv.H/18 in Finland). The Finns constructed 18 BT-42s and these were pressed into service in 1943."

Although this tank may not have any impact in the M/A, I belive that it can open the door for light tanks in AH, as you will pretty much have a Bt-7 with a different turret, so this can be used to model a BT-7, which also opens up a space for the M3 stuart, almost every japanese tank, and also italian tanks, plus panzer 2's for our german flying/driving friends ,here is a picture and tell me what you think

[Pigslilspaz]

The Finns constructed 18 BT-42s and these were pressed into service in 1943."

too few.

[Imowface]

There were less then 50 osties produced, and I am almost certain that the BT-42 saw much more action then the ostwind, this is the only tank the finns had, unless hitech makes an excepion to the no captrured vehicle skins ruld, which might be possible? since the finns did employ T34's into there armoured divisions, It wasnt just 1 or 2 random tanks

[Plazus]

too few.

It doesnt matter how few. HTC has two requirements for including a vehicle/plane in game:

1. Must have seen combat in WW2
2. Must have been in squadron strength

If something meets those requirements, then it is acceptable for inclusion.

[E25280]

There were less then 50 osties produced, and I am almost certain that the BT-42 saw much more action then the ostwind, this is the only tank the finns had, unless hitech makes an excepion to the no captrured vehicle skins ruld, which might be possible? since the finns did employ T34's into there armoured divisions, It wasnt just 1 or 2 random tanks

But an AA tank makes much more sense in a game that is about aircraft than an extremely rare modified version of a captured tank, wouldn't you agree?

A BT-7 (unmodified) would be nice and a much higher priority than a frankenversion of a captured BT-7.

[Nemisis]

E25280, the point isn't if it make sense. Point is that you can't say the osti is a good addition, and then use the argument of "too few were built" on a tank that saw more combat, and had more units produced.

Thats like saying "sorry, we can't add the Re2005 because it didn't get enough kills", when we have the Ta-152, with less than 10 confirmed kills.

[E25280]

E25280, the point isn't if it make sense. Point is that you can't say the osti is a good addition, and then use the argument of "too few were built" on a tank that saw more combat, and had more units produced.

I don't think you quite get what I mean.  If you are going to add a rare tank vs. a common tank, the rare tanks you would add in a game about aircraft is an anti-aircraft tank.  After adding anti-aircraft tanks (which by definition are fairly rare), the next logical step is to add fairly common tanks -- not rare tanks.

And even in the realm of rare tanks, very rare modified captured versions I would say are about on the lowest rung in terms of priority.  IMO.

[Nemisis]

Well yes, but the problem is that this isn't a "game about aircraft". Show me anything official that says this is an aircraft game.

If it was an aircraft game, we wouldn't have tanks, and any ships but aircraft carriers.


Asside from that, I do agree.

[oakranger]

Is that what the tiger and panzer tank used for target practice?

[Ack-Ack]

Is that what the tiger and panzer tank used for target practice?

No, it's what the T-34 used for target practice.


Lt. Stig Sippel's BT-42 after it was destroyed by Soviet T-34s on 6/20/1944.  Lt. Stig Sippel was the CO of a B-42 company in the Finnish town of Viipuri, tasked with holding the line to stop a Soviet advance.  He requested that he be sent some StuGs to counter the Soviet T-34s but his request was denied, so he set to engage the T-34s with his company of BT-42s that had absolutely no chance against the T-34s.  On top of this, almost half of the BT-42s under Sippel's command were without tracks and had to operate their B-42s on road wheels due to technical problems.

With is small company of nearly obsolete BT-42s, Sippel and his men faced over 50 Soviet T-34s as they came into the village in pursuit of the withdrawing Finns.  In the ensuing battle, Sippel managed to get off two shots from his BT-34 and scored two direct hits at very close range to the T-34's turret without any noticable damage to the T-34.  Sippel was immediately killed just a few seconds later when the T-34 he hit twice fired back, hitting Sippel's BT-42 in the turret, going completely through while tearing off the whole roof plate and killing Sippel instantly.  Supposedly, one of the surviving crew members reported that Sippel's last words before being killed was, "Damn, they are trying to shoot us!"


ack-ack

[oakranger]

No, it's what the T-34 used for target practice.

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Lt. Stig Sippel's BT-42 after it was destroyed by Soviet T-34s on 6/20/1944.  Lt. Stig Sippel was the CO of a B-42 company in the Finnish town of Viipuri, tasked with holding the line to stop a Soviet advance.  He requested that he be sent some StuGs to counter the Soviet T-34s but his request was denied, so he set to engage the T-34s with his company of BT-42s that had absolutely no chance against the T-34s.  On top of this, almost half of the BT-42s under Sippel's command were without tracks and had to operate their B-42s on road wheels due to technical problems.

With is small company of nearly obsolete BT-42s, Sippel and his men faced over 50 Soviet T-34s as they came into the village in pursuit of the withdrawing Finns.  In the ensuing battle, Sippel managed to get off two shots from his BT-34 and scored two direct hits at very close range to the T-34's turret without any noticable damage to the T-34.  Sippel was immediately killed just a few seconds later when the T-34 he hit twice fired back, hitting Sippel's BT-42 in the turret, going completely through while tearing off the whole roof plate and killing Sippel instantly.  Supposedly, one of the surviving crew members reported that Sippel's last words before being killed was, "Damn, they are trying to shoot us!"


ack-ack

WOW, it just like a spit I vs 109K-4.

[Pigslilspaz]

nah, spit 1 has a chance, it's happened to me before, lol

[sky25]

Well yes, but the problem is that this isn't a "game about aircraft". Show me anything official that says this is an aircraft game.

If it was an aircraft game, we wouldn't have tanks, and any ships but aircraft carriers.


Asside from that, I do agree.

 

I think Your correct. This game has evolved into more than just aircraft. I really prefer and enjoy GV's more than flying.

[morfiend]

Thats like saying "sorry, we can't add the Re2005 because it didn't get enough kills", when we have the Ta-152, with less than 10 confirmed kills.

  I'd like to know where you got this imformation or are you just talk out your.....

 A simple search and I came up with  atleast 15 kills by just 4 pilots so I'd like to see the less than 10 backed up!

   

[Imowface]

IMHO, trying as much as possible not to start an argument, as much as this is a request for the BT-42, It is also a request for tanks like it, as I said, if this is added to the game, It can open up the door for so many more tanks, One of my favorite parts of AH, is that you get to see how allied and axis planes/tanks faired against each other, per instance, say we get the bt-42 added, along with several other light tanks, we would be able to see how it handled other light tanks such as the japanese chi-ha, or the M3 stuart, pretty much tanks that it would have never seen action against, Its just like what we do in the M/A every day ( well for some of us everyday atleased ) where else can someone fly in a 190 against a 109, or a p38 against a p51. As much as I am asking for the BT 42, I am asking for light and medium tanks in general in AH.