Author Topic: Heads up on Dell lawsuit  (Read 1077 times)

Offline Ghastly

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1756
Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« on: July 08, 2010, 01:18:12 PM »
This - if it doesn't derail somehow - is like to open Pandora's box, perhaps in more ways than just the lawsuit at hand.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/projectfailures/dell-lawsuit-pattern-of-deceit/10165?tag=nl.e539

<S>
"Curse your sudden (but inevitable!) betrayal!"
Grue

Offline Masherbrum

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 22416
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 01:36:17 PM »
I will never own a Dell product.   
FSO Squad 412th FNVG
http://worldfamousfridaynighters.com/
Co-Founder of DFC

Offline AirFlyer

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1210
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2010, 04:24:57 PM »
Can't say I'm surprised, somehow they'll get away with it though. That usually seems to be the case.
Tours: Airflyer to 69 - 77 | Dustin57 92 - 100 | Spinnich 100 - ?
"You'll always get exactly what you deserve." Neil

Offline flakbait

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 867
      • http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 05:58:54 PM »
My first computer was a Dell. Little 200 MHz Pentium, a whopping 64 meg of RAM... I popped my 3D cherry on Quake II using a 3D Blaster Banshee video card. First time I saw colored lighting I about *#^$. HOLY CRAP THAT WAS COOL! Now I'm looking at LOMAC, Bad Company 2, DA:O, and going "The textures aren't bad, but that one over there needs work. And that model glitch never should have left QA." How time flies.  :D

Oh, right: Dell. I went through no less than nineteen CD-ROM drives by Toshiba because the entire production lot Dell purchased was using a 2¢ part instead of a 7¢ part. All covered under warranty, which was Dell's only saving grace. Right before dropping them completely and building my first rig, I got to deal with the infamous "Welcome to the Quickie Mart" tech idiots that can't tell the diff between a DIMM and a PCI modem.

Personally, I hope Dell gets their collective rear ends reamed out with a 50" auger.


-----------------------
Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School
"For yay did the sky darken, and split open and spew forth fire, and through the smoke rode the Four Wurgers of the Apocalypse. And on their canopies was tattooed the number of the Beast, and the number was 190."
Jedi, Verse Five, Capter Two, The Book of Dweeb


Offline RTHolmes

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8260
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 06:11:41 PM »
Quote from: Michael Dell at an IT conference, October 6, 1997
Question from the floor: "What would you do if you were in charge of Apple?"
Dell: "What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders."

Apple stock:
7 Nov 1997 $4.94
9 Jul 2010 $258.09

Michael Dell is an idiot. nuff said.
71 (Eagle) Squadron

What most of us want to do is simply shoot stuff and look good doing it - Chilli

Offline guncrasher

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17417
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2010, 08:28:31 PM »
Man after browsing the boards here and I know basically little more than nothing, I am beginning to realize how I got taken advantage of by so many companies.  Times when companies would make good solid products to sell are over.  There's a few small companies like here (i still hate caps and eny  :D ) and a few others that really do make nice good products.  But this is only the beginning, as more companies buy crap from overseas due to lower costs, its gonna be expensive for them.  Then again of course they will depend on people like me who dont know any better or have no choice and will just pay more.


semp
you dont want me to ho, dont point your plane at me.

Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2010, 08:36:35 PM »
I will never own a Dell product.   

After the headaches my fiance went through when her 6 month old Dell died, we will never purchase another Dell product.  Even though in the end Dell did come through and give my fiance a new AlienWare Area 51 ALX to replace her Dell XPS 720H2 and I ended up getting a free GTX 295 out of it, the nightmare of having to spend 4 months trying to get any support left us with no desire to to business with them in the future.

ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song

Offline Bino

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5938
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2010, 09:28:38 PM »
So long as consumers make purchases based exclusively on low prices, companies will cut whatever corners they have to in order to deliver low prices. 

Companies will outsource jobs to slave-labor camps in whatever country has the fewest worker-protection laws at the moment (Foxconn, Hewlett-Packard, Apple, etc.) 

Companies will calculate the cost of settling wrongful death suits against the cost of making safe products (google "Ford Pinto exploding gas tank").

Companies will use a substandard five-cent part instead of an adequate ten-cent part (google "Dell capacitors").

Only when customers demonstrate - with their money - they will pay for service, will they get service.

Imagine a world full nothing but Wal-marts staffed by know-nothing cashiers selling shoddy crap from third-world sweatshops...  shudder!




"The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'." - Randy Pausch

PC Specs

Offline Reschke

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7724
      • VF-17 "The Jolly Rogers"
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2010, 09:37:04 PM »
Imagine a world full nothing but Wal-marts staffed by know-nothing cashiers selling shoddy crap from third-world sweatshops...  shudder!

Isn't that what we have already with our trash and buy mentality in the consumer marketplace here in the USA?
Buckshot
Reschke from March 2001 till tour 146
Founder and CO VF-17 Jolly Rogers September 2002 - December 2006
"I'm baaaaccccckkk!"

Offline morfiend

  • AH Training Corps
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10470
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 09:44:02 PM »
Well put Bino  :aok

 The consumer must educate themselves before they make purchases,penny wise,dollar foolish!

Offline BoilerDown

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1926
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2010, 10:26:52 PM »
Dell hit it big with its stoner college student TV ad campaign, not for being actually better than its closest competitors in any other way.  Its been only a matter of time before they fall back to where they belong.  I always liked Gateway (2000) better, but they only had cow boxes, for their ad campaign.  Why some stoner telling people to get a Dell actually worked, I'm not really sure.

In any case, I've never bought any of them for myself, always build my own.
Boildown

This is the Captain.  We have a lil' problem with our entry sequence so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.

Boildown is Twitching: http://www.twitch.tv/boildown

Offline bravoa8

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1571
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2010, 10:46:05 PM »
I have a dell laptop I certainly won't buy another computer from them though.

Offline RTHolmes

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8260
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2010, 02:48:50 AM »
71 (Eagle) Squadron

What most of us want to do is simply shoot stuff and look good doing it - Chilli

Offline kilz

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3336
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2010, 08:42:39 AM »
After the headaches my fiance went through when her 6 month old Dell died, we will never purchase another Dell product.  Even though in the end Dell did come through and give my fiance a new AlienWare Area 51 ALX to replace her Dell XPS 720H2 and I ended up getting a free GTX 295 out of it, the nightmare of having to spend 4 months trying to get any support left us with no desire to to business with them in the future.

ack-ack


i got 4 months left on my XPS720 been thinking about destroying it and having them send me a new one
Former LTARkilz

R.I.P 68KO, TailSpin, Maj1Shot, Prop31st, SWfire, rodders, Vega, easy8, 11Bravo, AWMac, GMC31st, Stoliman, WWhiskey

Offline Tigger29

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2568
Re: Heads up on Dell lawsuit
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010, 11:17:48 AM »
I'm seeing an equally disturbing trend in the Auto Repair industry.  Since the internet developed, and DIY Auto Parts stores (such as Autozone) have become popular, it is increasingly more and more difficult to stay profitable.  With the low cost of parts due to bulk (and overseas parts) available to the large chain shops, small and independent shops really don't stand much of a chance anymore.  Throw in the requirements for dozens upon dozens of thousands of dollars worth of diagnostic equipment for modern vehicles, and that's like throwing salt in the wound.

It's hard to justify the price for a part to a customer when your COST is more than what they can get it from Autozone for.  Granted, the quality may be like night and day, and the part you're trying to sell them may be made in the USA (Vs. China for the Autozone part), but all they see is "lifetime warranty" and half-the-price.  Then you get the reputation for trying to price-gouge them... and the sad thing is that they are right!  It's gotten to the point in which you have to tack on to the cost of the people who don't do their research to compensate for the business you lose from the ones who can get cheap Chinese parts from these chain stores (and FREE loaner tools, and FREE repair instructions)... and when they run into problems from doing it themselves or because of defective parts, they come to you and then complain to the BBB when you have to charge them $300 for a job that would have cost them $100 in the first place, so when this happens it's almost not worth the headache to even get involved.

Next thing you know, you have to get cheap Chinese made parts as well just to stay competitive and profitable, because simple business rules dictate that it makes no sense to stay in business if you're not making money... and things just spiral downwards from there.

Now... how does this compare to Dell?  I'm not exactly defending them... but you have to look at the large picture here.  First off, I doubt seriously they actually installed these capacitors onto the motherboards.  More than likely they purchased these motherboards pre-built from the lowest bidder who could meet their hardware specifications.  Kind of like Toyota... they didn't build their gas pedal assemblies... they installed ones that were already made... in China.  To stay competitive, they people who did build these motherboards chose cheap Chinese-made parts over more expensive and more durable ones.  They took a gamble that the cheaper ones would last long enough for the warranty to run out, and warrantying the few that didn't last that long would still be cheaper for them in the long run.

Once Dell learned that these motherboards didn't make the grade in durability, they were forced to make one of three decisions:

1> Issue a recall and replace all of the motherboards... this would have likely bankrupted them.

2> Handle these on a case-by-case basis and replace the failed motherboards with quality ones, and throw away all of their existing stock and start using quality parts from that point on... while this could have been a brilliant long-term plan on their end if marketed correctly, it would have still cost them a fortune... causing losses for quite some time and destroying their stock prices.

3> Bury their heads in the sand and keep doing things the same way, keeping their profits high and their shareholders happy for as long as possible... unfortunately it seems that the bigger a company gets the more short-sighted they become.  They choose short-term gains over long-term stability, almost in a self-destructive way.  Why do they do this?  It's quite simple.. because TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE TOO MUCH INVESTED in this point.  It's all about throwing the wool over their eyes for as long as possible.

And folks, believe me.. this is still only the beginning.  As long as people continue to cut corners.. clip coupons.. choose the lowest bidder.. use price as their only deciding factor... sue the second things go wrong.. well things will only continue to get worse.  I'm seeing a disturbing trend with large companies following practices that look good in the sort term, but really cost them later on.  Kind of like taking on a $10,000 loan at 500% interest... yes the case looks good in your hands when you get it, but what happens next year?

Companies think that outsourcing parts, repairs, and customer service overseas is a good idea, but it will (and is already starting to) bite them in the ascot.  I'm sorry, but when you take into account the logistics involved, there is NO WAY you can tell me that having a heavily accented, engrish-speaking guy in India who goes by the name of Bob Barker do your customer service is going to be cheaper in the long term.  If they would take the time to FIX their products, documentation, and procedures they would find a way to eliminate the vast majority of customer service needs.  Take HTC for example... they are finding themselves having to devote a large amount of time telling people to alt-tab out of the program so they can click a box to allow a new update through their software firewall... so now they are FIXING the main screen so that it will allow this window to the foreground.  Granted, it's become a bit more of a pain then anticipated, but they are getting the job done.  In the long-term it will be better.

There are two sayings that hold true to my philosophy: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" and "Just because you can doesn't mean you should".  I wish companies would follow these more often.

I hope that this whole Dell issue becomes more of an eye-opener than a huge lawsuit.  I would rather people learn from this and adjust their spending habits and practices, rather than to jump on the "class-action bandwagon".  Personally, I think class-action lawsuits are a huge wound to the American legal system.