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Offline gyrene81

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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2010, 09:43:41 AM »
You know why there were so many variations of the Spitfire? The Brits couldn't get them right the first time. There are enough Spits in AH now, thank you.
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2010, 09:46:27 AM »
You know why there were so many variations of the 109? The germans couldn't get them right the first time. There are enough 109s in AH now, thank you.
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2010, 10:40:54 AM »
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2010, 11:56:01 AM »
You know why there were so many variations of the Spitfire? The Brits couldn't get them right the first time. There are enough Spits in AH now, thank you.
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Do you know why the American do not have some many variations in any AC, they had always got it right!   :rock
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2010, 12:09:41 PM »
nope, its because USA started building their fighters years after the spit and 109 were first built so there was less time to produce different variants. up to the end of WWII the production runs of US aircraft were years shorter than either the spit or 109.

also the US industrial machine was geared more towards cheaper more efficient mass production of mil hardware than the european manufacturers, who could therefore respond to tactical requirements quicker, albeit at the expense of production numbers and cost. european production was also far more widely dispersed than US production too, because our factories had bombers flying over them. eg. RR mostly hand-built Merlins vs Packards mostly line-built Merlins. spits largely hand built wings vs P-51 line-built wings. etc etc.
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2010, 12:11:49 PM »
I hope thats sarcasm.

Hate to burst everyones bubble, but the soviets were responsible for almost 3x as many casualties as the US and England COMBINED.  :bolt:

     Must have missed the memo about the huge Soviet strategic bomber offensives that decimated the German oil
and transportation industries.  Maybe there was a reason the aces on the Eastern Front piled up such high kill
numbers Mr Bubble Burster.  I wonder how many divisions of Lend Lease T-34s served during WW2 as well.
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2010, 12:16:27 PM »
dont be daft, everyone knows the USA won WWII all on their own after germany bombed pearl harbour. duh!
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2010, 12:20:09 PM »
dont be daft, everyone knows the USA won WWII all on their own after germany bombed pearl harbour. duh!

     Not saying that, although the Brits love to bring up how "late" the US came into the war.  Two things I'd like
to point out.  One, we were the most un-neutral neutral power in favor of the UK prior to Dec 1941.  Two, the Allies
were in severe "backup" mode until June 42.  So rag on the US all you like, we made our contribution.
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2010, 12:28:44 PM »
nope, its because USA started building their fighters years after the spit and 109 were first built so there was less time to produce different variants. up to the end of WWII the production runs of US aircraft were years shorter than either the spit or 109.

also the US industrial machine was geared more towards cheaper more efficient mass production of mil hardware than the european manufacturers, who could therefore respond to tactical requirements quicker, albeit at the expense of production numbers and cost. european production was also far more widely dispersed than US production too, because our factories had bombers flying over them. eg. RR mostly hand-built Merlins vs Packards mostly line-built Merlins. spits largely hand built wings vs P-51 line-built wings. etc etc.

Which comes to my point, they got it right. 
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2010, 12:30:03 PM »
ffs, does it really matter who got it right and who didn't?  Get back on topic.

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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2010, 12:30:27 PM »
hey I'm very aware of the massive contribution the US made to defeating the Axis, as are the vast majority of yurpeans. there does seem to be a large contingent of americans who really do think the war started in dec '41 and the US won it on their own though. its just fun breakin their balls as I believe you chaps say :D
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2010, 12:34:14 PM »
Spitfire list, we have the bolded models:

Spitfire Mk Ia (87 octane)
Spitfire Mk Ia (100 octane)
Spitfire Mk Ib
Spitfire Mk IIa
Spitfire Mk IIb
Spitfire Mk Va
Spitfire Mk Vb
Spitfire Mk Vc
Spitfire Mk Vc (clipped)
Spitfire Mk VII
Spitfire Mk VII (extended tips)
Spitfire LF.Mk VIII
Spitfire F.Mk VIII
Spitfire HF.Mk VIII
Spitfire F.Mk IX (Merlin 61)
Spitfire F.Mk IX (Merlin 63)
Spitfire LF.Mk IX (100 octane)
Spitfire LF.Mk IX (150 octane)
Spitfire LF.Mk IX (clipped, 100 octane)
Spitfire LF.Mk IX (clipped, 150 octane)
Spitfire LF.Mk IXe (100 octane)
Spitfire LF.Mk IXe (150 octane)
Spitfire LF.Mk IXe (clipped, 100 octane)
Spitfire LF.Mk IXe (clipped, 150 octane)
Spitfire LF.MK IXe (bubble canopy, 100 octane)
Spitfire LF.MK IXe (bubble canopy, 150 octane)
Spitfire HF.Mk IX
Spitfire HF.Mk IX
Spitfire HF.MK IX (extended tips)
Spitfire Mk XII
Spitfire F.Mk XIV (100 octane)
Spitfire F.Mk XIV (150 octane)
Spitfire F.Mk XIVe (100 octane)
Spitfire F.Mk XIVe (150 octane)
Spitfire FR.Mk XIVe (100 octane)
Spitfire FR.Mk XIVe (150 octane)
Spitfire FR.Mk XIVe (bubble canopy, 100 octane)
Spitfire FR.Mk XIVe (bubble canopy, 150 octane)
Spitfire Mk XVI (100 octane)
Spitfire Mk XVI (150 octane)
Spitfire Mk XVI (bubble canopy, 100 octane)
Spitfire Mk XVI (bubble canopy, 150 octane)
Spitfire Mk XVIIIe
Spitfire F.21


I know I left off many engine/fuel/wing/armament combinations.  I also didn't touch Seafires at all.

Karnak to the rescue. It just goes to show how few Mks. of Spitfire we really have. It pains me that HiTech will not allow allied rides to use 150 octane fuel.
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2010, 01:28:55 PM »
nope, its because USA started building their fighters years after the spit and 109 were first built so there was less time to produce different variants. up to the end of WWII the production runs of US aircraft were years shorter than either the spit or 109.

also the US industrial machine was geared more towards cheaper more efficient mass production of mil hardware than the european manufacturers, who could therefore respond to tactical requirements quicker, albeit at the expense of production numbers and cost. european production was also far more widely dispersed than US production too, because our factories had bombers flying over them. eg. RR mostly hand-built Merlins vs Packards mostly line-built Merlins. spits largely hand built wings vs P-51 line-built wings. etc etc.
Strange, I could have sworn the 109 and Hurricane were introduced in 1937, Spitfire and P-36 1938 and the P-40 in 1939...not years of difference there. High performance fighters weren't necessary until the U.S. was dragged into the war, at which time the industrial machine developed such "cheap" aircraft as the P-40, F-4U, P-47, P-38, P-51, B-17 and B-24, none of which used wood or fabric in their airframes unlike the Spitfire, Hurricane and Mosquito. And, I guess you could consider low production numbers of 13,000 P-40s with only 9 operational variants, 16,000 P-51s with only 4 operational variants, 16,000 P-47s with only 6 operational variants and 10,000 P-38s with only 7 operational variants, all produced in shorter time periods from concept to retirement, to be low production numbers compared to 20,000 Spitfires with more than 25 operational variants produced over a 10 year span. Didn't realize the U.S. was the only country using assembly line production, that would account for the aircraft manufacturing facilities in Britain, Russia, Germany and Japan.



There are enough Spitfires in AH.
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2010, 01:52:49 PM »
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Re: Time for the Spitfire Mk.XII.
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2010, 01:56:07 PM »
 :neener:  LMAO Bronk.

I'll rephrase, there are too many spitdweebs in AH as it is no need to feed them with more easy mode flying poopsticks.  :D
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