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Offline Sloehand

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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2010, 10:53:00 PM »
Did you just quote Miyamoto Musashi?????? great warrior probably the greatest of all time. :aok
Won't try to give complete and detailed discertation. I'd just point out a couple of things that might (or might not) be important to consider on this topic.  While not arguing that Musashi was a "great warrior", he was not, if memory serves, a soldier.  Nor was a accomplished leader of men on the battle field.  He was not a strategist nor tactician in the soldier and warfare sense. Further, I would be careful to adopt wholesale any Japanses philosophy of battle or combat.  Their culture revels in the individual's "honor" above all else, to the point of committing Seppuku as the only way to redeem that honor 'when they believe they have failed'.  This is contrary to the generally Western thought that insipe of defeat, and even having surrendered, the creedo is to stay alive, stay as anything can happen in the future.

Those who disparage  of the concept of avoiding conflit or a fight to achieve a military goal fly in in the face of the truly great military leaders, who realized like Patton did, that the point is to make the other 'dumb bastich' die for his country.  Mis-direction, subterfuge, camoflage are among the greatest weapons of a leader of soldiers.  Truly, if I were to cite any Asian authority, it would of course, be Sun Tzu, who said essentially (among other things) do not attack where the enemy is stong, seek out where he is weakest.  And by extrapolation, create his weakness by subterfuge and mis-direction when necessary.

Alexander spent spectacular efforts to successfully fool a stronger Indian opponent planted across a river from him that he wanted to cross.  In Desert Storm, Schwartzkoff did everything possible, and correctly, to mis-direct the Iraqus and hold them tin heir positions, while he avoided their strength and swung around their exposed right flank.  

Admittedly, this is a game about combat as individuals, but the structure of the envirment, the rules and general gameplay is about taking and keeping ground.  Some people wanting to experience the 'war' as opposed to just forusing on dogfighting is natural and a perfectly reasonable way to enjoy the game.

On a different note, I hope this came out as I inteded, the text editor is really behave stupidly.  I can't see what I've typed unless I am actually typing.  Dam thing keeps scroll up whenever I stop keying and it seems to have the 'buffer slows'.  This only occurs in this text editor and started a couple of major updates ago.  Anyone have a solution?
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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2010, 11:41:43 PM »
"immoral", really?

You picked on 'immoral' and left 'grale' alone??

Won't try to give complete and detailed discertation. I'd just point out a couple of things that might (or might not) be important to consider on this topic.  While not arguing that Musashi was a "great warrior", he was not, if memory serves, a soldier.  Nor was a accomplished leader of men on the battle field.  He was not a strategist nor tactician in the soldier and warfare sense. Further, I would be careful to adopt wholesale any Japanses philosophy of battle or combat.  Their culture revels in the individual's "honor" above all else, to the point of committing Seppuku as the only way to redeem that honor 'when they believe they have failed'.  This is contrary to the generally Western thought that insipe of defeat, and even having surrendered, the creedo is to stay alive, stay as anything can happen in the future.

Those who disparage  of the concept of avoiding conflit or a fight to achieve a military goal fly in in the face of the truly great military leaders, who realized like Patton did, that the point is to make the other 'dumb bastich' die for his country.  Mis-direction, subterfuge, camoflage are among the greatest weapons of a leader of soldiers.  Truly, if I were to cite any Asian authority, it would of course, be Sun Tzu, who said essentially (among other things) do not attack where the enemy is stong, seek out where he is weakest.  And by extrapolation, create his weakness by subterfuge and mis-direction when necessary.

Alexander spent spectacular efforts to successfully fool a stronger Indian opponent planted across a river from him that he wanted to cross.  In Desert Storm, Schwartzkoff did everything possible, and correctly, to mis-direct the Iraqus and hold them tin heir positions, while he avoided their strength and swung around their exposed right flank. 

Admittedly, this is a game about combat as individuals, but the structure of the envirment, the rules and general gameplay is about taking and keeping ground.  Some people wanting to experience the 'war' as opposed to just forusing on dogfighting is natural and a perfectly reasonable way to enjoy the game.

On a different note, I hope this came out as I inteded, the text editor is really behave stupidly.  I can't see what I've typed unless I am actually typing.  Dam thing keeps scroll up whenever I stop keying and it seems to have the 'buffer slows'.  This only occurs in this text editor and started a couple of major updates ago.  Anyone have a solution?


at least you didn't say anything about a 'Pyrrhic victory'  :x
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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2010, 12:21:56 AM »
removed after I thought better of it

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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2010, 12:48:10 AM »
   Another problem as I see it, is the inability to hurt the enemy by destroying his ability to fight, which goes against what every player wants. We like the idea of it, but in reality no one wants to be on the receiving end.

   Basically its a game where hordes win wars, and the meat of warfare never is addressed, because nobody is willing to put up with the cost.
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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2010, 12:56:04 AM »
On a different note, I hope this came out as I inteded, the text editor is really behave stupidly.  I can't see what I've typed unless I am actually typing.  Dam thing keeps scroll up whenever I stop keying and it seems to have the 'buffer slows'.  This only occurs in this text editor and started a couple of major updates ago.  Anyone have a solution?

I've noted this problem from time to time on one of the break room PC's at work but not every time and never on my home PC.

It's a mystery to me.

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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2010, 12:57:25 AM »
You picked on 'immoral' and left 'grale' alone??

at least you didn't say anything about a 'Pyrrhic victory'  :x

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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2010, 01:00:29 AM »
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on that note I will say this ...Honor...is not a shallow thing and should be upheld above all and yes that includes LIFE

Honor includes the following

Integrity
loyalty
Respect
Righteousness
Dignity
Love
and above all is Truth


none of which, is held to high esteem in our "western" world.




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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2010, 01:12:49 AM »
"I think from your numerous posts in several threads, we all get that you don't like the changes. Things are not going back to the way you want it no matter how many times you state your dislike. Once HTC makes a big change like this, they aren't going to reverse it. You can do one of two things, adapt or quit. I'm sure this may not set well with you and several others. There have been a lot of changes over the years and nobody likes every one. You just have to make the best of it.....or not." Bear76

You think bad Bear76!

Until You will  understand - in general we are talking about a doctrine - perhaps You should read more carefully and stay in silence!

But don't stay in silent so everybody can read what You are!

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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2010, 01:21:30 AM »
"I think from your numerous posts in several threads, we all get that you don't like the changes. Things are not going back to the way you want it no matter how many times you state your dislike. Once HTC makes a big change like this, they aren't going to reverse it. You can do one of two things, adapt or quit. I'm sure this may not set well with you and several others. There have been a lot of changes over the years and nobody likes every one. You just have to make the best of it.....or not." Bear76

You think bad Bear76!

Until You will  understand - in general we are talking about a doctrine - perhaps You should read more carefully and stay in silence!

But don't stay in silent so everybody can read what You are!

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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2010, 01:38:29 AM »
Bear76, The answer  is written between the words of your post.
Every addiction would be something more or less!  

And to be more clear,from a certain point of view I have no interest in what htc will implement.
If to do more money they will decide that radar is good at zero feet, then their business.
But if i remember well Hitech said that he will consider what we all ppl said.
As it would be probable.
So Your words are spent into the wind just to say something between nothing and nothing cooked with
nothing.
  

Piece and love!


Ink,

I think that the last who thought in that way is been a dead man!  :rofl

About Musashi, from what i heard he had an integrity, etc as few men have.

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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2010, 01:44:25 AM »
Bear76, The answer  is written between the words of your post.
Every addiction would be something more or less!  

And to be more clear,from a certain point of view I have no interest in what htc will implement.
If to do more money they will decide that radar is good at zero feet, then their business.
But if i remember well Hitech said that he will consider what we all ppl said.
As it would be probable.
So Your words are spent into the wind just to say something between nothing and nothing cooked with
nothing.
  

Piece and love!


Ink,

I think that the last who thought in that way is been a dead man!  :rofl

About Musashi, from what i heard he had an integrity, etc as few men have.

 :salute








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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2010, 01:56:31 AM »
Bear76

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True!

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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2010, 02:07:20 AM »
Bear76

Reg: Nov 2002
Location: In a cave, duh!

True!

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I lived in Italy, I prefer the cave :lol

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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2010, 02:14:01 AM »
Perhaps Falcnwng will drop in and clarify the meaning, its historical relevance, origins, and the misuse of the word in an epic wall of text that few men can read through without their brains exploding due to not being able to contain the wealth of genius being presented.

That's funny considering the OP,
I need some Advil and a drink.

I'M sure my neighbors 12 year old could post something that makes more sense.

what's the point here, is this another one of those let me dictate how we should all spend our 15 bucks
one more time?         really?




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Re: The Aces High War Doctrine
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2010, 02:16:23 AM »
INK,

I was awarded a Menkyo from "Itto Tenshin Katori Shinto Ryu" school of Kenjutsu. Traditional schools of kenjutsu were schools of battle feild martial arts.

There are at least 5 western translations of "Go Rin No Sho" today that everyone quotes from. Musashi's teaching that combat between two men is no different than combat between Ten Thousand means:

First the warrior masters single combat because it is the most simple way of teaching the art of "Mastering" and the Way of single Combat. With the mastery of single combat and its strategies, ten thousand warriors are but a single combat by one master against another master weilding thousands of warriors. If the one master weilds superior numbers, then the response is the same as the techniques mastered during single combat training for one killing many.

In a game based on combat, sneaking around (strategy) only teaches conflict avoidence. Mastering the games combat teaches the practitioner the game, it's nuances, and creates a well spring of experience to draw from to defeat your enemies. That is true strategy. Any one else using the word strategy is covering up their own inability to compete on an equal footing with the games top combat practitioners.

Those who lust for combat already have strategy as the tang of their sword.


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