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Offline OOZ662

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Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« on: July 10, 2010, 08:17:55 AM »
I'm not one for the super-cutting-edge graphics systems, nor am I one to punch out 3DMark scores in my pass-time. I've actually never overclocked a computer. But, even I have to admit that this is starting to fall behind the ball. It still plays Aces High like a champ, but any new games...it's toast. I'd like to gut it and, saving as many parts as possible, come into the new age of LGA and PCI-E. I'd like bang-for-buck components (not bottom-of-the-barrel, but no need to set the curtains on fire) to preferably keep the cost far under $1,000. That being said, future upgrade paths are a wonderful thing.

I have SATA 2gb/s hard drives, a PCI sound card, an SATA optical drive, a floppy drive, and an ATX case to salvage from the old system. It has a copy of OEM XP 32-bit, but 64-bit seems the way these days and I do like Windows 7. The power supply is losing its gusto and obviously the GPU, CPU, motherboard, and RAM are headed into the closet if I can justify this cost. I'd also prefer to stick with Intel and nVidia based components, and I have a soft-spot for GIGABYTE motherboards.

Any help is appreciated. I put together a system myself earlier, but I've fallen far enough behind in the tech curve that I had a very hard time balancing the components well.
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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 08:47:49 AM »
If you want bang for the buck you still can't beat an E8400 or E8500 CPU coupled with a 9800 GTX+ and 4 Gb of DDR2 800 RAM.  And it will run fine on 32 bit XP.
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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2010, 10:07:35 AM »
Are LGA775s going to be around much longer?
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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2010, 10:21:06 AM »
Are LGA775s going to be around much longer?

I'm sure they will be phased out over time but they are still incredibly capable CPU's.  The real question is how long will it be before software overcomes their capabilities?  I expect that will be quite some time.

I've got:

Intel E6750 C2D 2.66 Ghz OC'd to 3.2 Ghz
eVGA NVidia 780i motherboard
Kingston HyperX DDR2 800 @ 4-4-4-12 timings
eVGA 8800 GTS 512
Creative X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatality
PC Power & Cooling 750W Silencer PSU
Win XP 32 bit

Plus 2 optical drives, 4 hard drives and a floppy.

It runs AH flawlessly at full settings except shadows @ 59 FPS steady on a 22" LG widescreen monitor (1680x1050).

Given HTC's proclivity to cater to lower end systems I don't expect I'll be rebuilding for several years.
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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2010, 10:30:30 AM »
What's your case? And what is your budget...say...500? 600?
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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2010, 10:36:57 AM »
If you want bang for the buck you still can't beat an E8400 or E8500 CPU coupled with a 9800 GTX+ and 4 Gb of DDR2 800 RAM.  And it will run fine on 32 bit XP.
Uh...with WinXP 32bit you will only have use of a maximum 3.5GB of RAM, that includes the video card RAM. The rest just sits there. Win7 64bit would do much better on that hardware.

If you want bang for the buck, go AMD cpu and ATI graphics, going Intel/Nvidia will get you a lot less for your money. You could get under $1000 with an Intel core I5 cpu, 6GB DDR3 1333 RAM, 800watt power supply and Geforce GTX260. The 9800/250 series is ok but not as good as the 260 series unless you want to get into the fermi based cards.

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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 10:43:58 AM »
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4445421&CatId=1533

Gigabyte EP45T-UD3LR Motherboard - Intel P45, Socket 775, ATX, DDR3, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0, RAID


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3574211&CatId=2396

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Processor BX80570E8400 - 3.0GHz, 6MB Cache, 1333MHz FSB, Wolfdale, Dual-Core, Retail, Socket 775, Processor with Fan


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5082126&CatId=3361

Corsair PC12800 RAM - 4GB, (2x2GB) DDR3, 1600MHz, Dual Channel, Class 8


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4369731&CatId=3585

EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 Superclocked Video Card - 896MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0 x16, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, VGA Support



Your hard drives are fine, simple upgrade to the MB, RAM, CPU and VC.  


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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2010, 10:57:40 AM »
Everything Gyrene says - well, almost. ;) I'd avoid AMD and go Intel, but I'd stick to ATI over NVidia as he suggests.

Why?  I love AMD from the point of view that they keep Intel honest (or more honest, anyway) with competition - and I was never happier than late last decade when they were beating Intel like a red-headed stepchild.  And while their processors do not fare well in a few odd corners compared to Intel (like video processing extensions, for example), overall, they are exceedingly capable.  So why do I avoid them?  The simple answer is that even today, the chipsets support of AMD is often "hit or miss", and if you get a combo that's great you're golden. But about 1/2 the time, you get a squirrelly little beast instead.  I fought my wars with AMD systems that worked 99.5% around the 2004/2005 time frame, and have no desire to go there again.

Nvidia... at one time I'd buy nothing else.  But they have become the new IBM of the late 80's and 90's - suffering from a serious case of overconfidence while putting out a product that their competitor's beat all hollow on almost every important front all while focusing on marginal markets rather than their mainstream "bread and butter".

I built my new system (Geez, almost a year ago, how time flies!) on an LGA775-based board - It was less expensive and just as capable, and I honestly believe  that by the time it's time to upgrade I'll be looking at end-of-life for 1366 anyway (which is still more expensive, although the margin between has shrunk since my build.)

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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2010, 05:38:22 PM »
What's your case? And what is your budget...say...500? 600?

I would top out at $1,000, but that would be painful. I'd prefer as low as possible without getting into a dead end like I did with the previous machine (Socket 478 and AGP phased out almost as soon as I put the last screw in the case).
This is my case, except with a 120mm fan hillbilly-modded into the the plexiglass where the little ribbed airholes are.

Dragon's build looks like a decent winner at first glance. What power supply would you all suggest? Some online calculator said I'd need 400w for the i7/9800GTX+ build I randomly scoped out earlier today and that sounds a bit ludicrous. Note that noise is not an issue; it sounds like a jet anyway.

EDIT: Looks like I'll need to bust out the measuring tape for that GTX260. :) I can get everything cheaper at NewEgg except that video card, which is like $40 more before $20 rebate.
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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2010, 05:48:32 PM »
Dragon's is solid. I'll give you the AMD side just for the hell of it.

AMD 955BE 3.2ghz QC - 159
GA-890XA-UD3 - 119 (questionable mobo)
sapphire HD5770 - 154 ($10 MIR)
OCZ 700W Modular PSU - 84
Scythe HSF - 30
Corsair 4GB (2x2) DDR3 1333 ram - 96

Total is around 650 for those parts. I think the 5770 is shorter than the 260. This is w/o any HDD's, windows copies, case etc. May need to buy a 8 pin extension if you plan on routing the 8 pin around the back of the case.
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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2010, 05:54:52 PM »
The motherboard Dragon suggested seems to have major memory timing problems. That's unfortunate, since it looks like a rather solid board otherwise. :(

Thanks, Spikes; I'll give that a compare.
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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2010, 05:58:06 PM »
The motherboard Dragon suggested seems to have major memory timing problems. That's unfortunate, since it looks like a rather solid board otherwise. :(

Thanks, Spikes; I'll give that a compare.
I have the EP45-UD3P. Only a few differences such as DDR3, etc.

OOZ the parts I threw up are only a quick list. If you are 'interested' I can post links and research a bit more (mainly for a 'better' mobo), and RAM, etc. Oh you should also get a new case. I used to have a Apevia X-plorer (I think it was). NZXT cases are pretty cheap...a bunch run under 100 and are great quality.
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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2010, 06:05:18 PM »
I'm not really all that keen on AMD, really. I can see jumping to ATi, but AMD hasn't given me much reason yet.
What's the reasoning on the new case? I suppose for the video card fitting. If I were to get a new one, I'd have to go through deciding whether I want to bang up to a Full Tower again...I hate decisions. :D
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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2010, 06:27:43 PM »
NZXT Beta EVO, NZXT M59, NZXT Gamma, NZXT Lexa S all 4 great cases.

ATi IMO currently has the best bang for the buck card in the 5770. AMD is just cheaper. With price comes quality, but you have a limited price, so in turn limited quality. :)

You could slip by with a dual core I for sure I bet.

NEw case reasoning? "Why the hell not?" Hehe. It's best to have a shiny new case for all those new parts to look good in :) (if you get a side panel window case (M59/Lexa S)).
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Re: Major Overhaul for a Cheapskate
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2010, 07:48:45 PM »
I'm not really all that keen on AMD, really.

yeah AMD isn't really for everyone.
but i'm glad i'm not everyone else.

this chip(see sig) is still chuggin along fine.

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