Stable Social Dynamics and "The Rule of 150".

[palef]

imo dunbars hypothesis is a good one, I just think you're applying it to the wrong problem.

Absolutely.

Just like applying the Anthropic Principle to AH would be a weirdly one-eyed view of existence in general.

Dunbar's should be applied to a situation with multi-faceted communication and interaction interfaces, with meat-space being the primary informative matrix. AH is about as artificial a construct as one can experience, both in the tactile and social etiquette sense. To actively invoke Dunbar you need physical, metaphysical, cultural and social frameworks to conform to a societal norm. AH doesn't represent that well because if I call you a bunghole I'm not risking a punch in the face. Muting or a Skuzzy invoked rules-lashing really doesn't add up to a career or relationship damaging event so factors that would normally moderate an exchange are transmogrified into causative factors in a conflict situation.

[bustr]

Channel 200 is the root of the problem.

Dunbars number is one of many tools for community planning. Strong Informal leadership, shared goals, spontanious cooperative efforts and a strong sense of belonging are demonstrateable hall marks of groups smaller than dunbars number. How many of you are the informal leader or know the informal leader in your workplace that is more effective in helping you than your groups manager? All the time your manager is either clueless or jeoulous of this coworker who all of you turn to first. That is measured by a concept call "Emotional Intelligence".

Ever notice how conditioned we are these days to rip apart new ideas as a reflex and forcing the presenter to justify his personal existance over the idea, rather than launch a barrage of questions to understand the idea to begine a full debate of its pros and cons?

How many of you have spent any time yet researching dunbars number and the theory of emotional intellegence related to informal working groups? Common guys HELP US TO MAKE AH BETTER not us these Forums as a character assaulting DA.   

[pervert]

Sorry, this Dunbar theory just sounds like a load of bull to me 

[palef]

How many of you have spent any time yet researching dunbars number and the theory of emotional intellegence related to informal working groups?

What, you mean you couldn't tell from my answers?

(You keep dropping capital letters and apostrophes too - blasphemer! Stone him!)

[bustr]

Absolutely.

Just like applying the Anthropic Principle to AH would be a weirdly one-eyed view of existence in general.

Dunbar's should be applied to a situation with multi-faceted communication and interaction interfaces, with meat-space being the primary informative matrix. AH is about as artificial a construct as one can experience, both in the tactile and social etiquette sense. To actively invoke Dunbar you need physical, metaphysical, cultural and social frameworks to conform to a societal norm. AH doesn't represent that well because if I call you a bunghole I'm not risking a punch in the face. Muting or a Skuzzy invoked rules-lashing really doesn't add up to a career or relationship damaging event so factors that would normally moderate an exchange are transmogrified into causative factors in a conflict situation.

Palef,

You have pulled a sophmoric collage of words and concepts with this continuous weighted worded sentance structure to accomplish nothing more than tell the readership you think what I have presented is gerbil feces and by the sheer weight of your scholorship are demonstrating your contempt for my presentation. How does that help Aces High as opposed to your EGO need to demonstrate you are Grizz in the arena of sentactical elitism?

Please by all means. I concede to your superior intellectual mastery. Take this discussion from here and help this communty. Or are you as lame as everyone else and only want to hoist your own petard in the DA of the AH Forums? Even Grizz knows it's time for a change.................

[palef]

I presented my informed opinion, while you sir presented an ad hominem attack.

Just then. Did everyone see that? I feel like someone stole my cheese.

[RTHolmes]

lol I noticed that.

relax bustr, just because we disagree with your application of dunbar doesnt mean we dont understand or disagree with the principle itself.


edit: just to be clear i'd say that ch200 is the root of the problem that is ch200, and there are solutions to that problem as I outlined above.

I dont see ch200's relevance to overall arena sizes, or whether dunbar should be applied to countries or arenas.

[Glen69]

  regardless of the size of country or arena, some people are vile creatures naturally.

 Take this bbs for instance, some people just like to vulch and burn you before you get the chance to get off the ground.

 Flame away boys 

[Knite]

Funny enough, I was posting about something similarly related that got into the wishlist forum here :
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,292540.0.html

If one of the problems with the negativity grows from a growing number of interactions, would it be possible to remove some of that negativity by differently shaping those interactions (text/chat box)? I came up with a theory of something that may, or may not help in the above link. Would that help the issue or make no difference?

(This is not an attempt at a threadjack, but I think they are related as I posted my text/chat change suggestions based upon a similar premise to what's hypothesized by bustr here)

[TMAW]

Kinda reminds me of the "Hundredth Monkey Effect".

[RufusLeaking]

  Bustr for a thought provoking topic.

We have big mouths and aren't afraid to use them.

Those who acknowledge this fact should exercise some self restraint.  Like a twelve step program, “Hello, I am RufLeak and I am a flame-aholic.”

You might say I paid attention and listened to my wife all this years over her feild of experties. I let her read what I started this thread with tonight and she nearly cried. "You , you, actualy have been listening to me all these years...."
 

Listen to one’s wife?  A novel concept …

The argument that players can choose to detune ch200 for the good of the game is sophmoric in the face of demonstratable human history.
 

For the record, I detune 200 99% of the time.

… with meat-space being the primary informative matrix.

Suddenly, I crave a hamburger.

How many of you have spent any time yet researching dunbars number and the theory of emotional intellegence related to informal working groups? Common guys HELP US TO MAKE AH BETTER not us these Forums as a character assaulting DA.   

This is the first I have heard about Dunbar.  I have read some DoD literature on unit cohesion versus mission accomplishment.  To be completely open minded, the theory of Dunbar’s number is one of many theories on human behavior in groups.

How does that help Aces High as opposed to your EGO need to demonstrate you are Grizz in the arena of sentactical elitism?

Even Grizz knows it's time for a change.................

Why invoke the name of Grizz?  No disrespect to the man, but does his expertise cover group behavior? 

Though, he does lead the AH Forums with the most posters having a man-crush on him.

Kinda reminds me of the "Hundredth Monkey Effect".

Is this the one where they eventually type "Hamlet?"

[pervert]

Kinda reminds me of the "Hundredth Monkey Effect".

Is that the nana thing?

[Yeager]

why go through all the psycho babble analysis.  Just detune the damned all channels. 

[Ghastly]

Channel 200 is the root of All Evil.

There, I fixed it for you.

And by the way, speaking of Evil - why is it that whenever Evil is mentioned, it's always "Ancient Evil"?  What do we have to do to get some "Newly Minted Evil"?

But seriously, folks... if you don't like 200, don't tune it - voila!  Evil abated.   

Complaining about the cesspool 200 can be at times is a little like the woman who called the police to report being flashed - one of her neighbor's was standing nude behind his screen door.  When asked if she was positive he was actually nude, she replied that she was - she drove by six times just to make sure.

How many times do you have to stick the fork in the socket (or tune 200) before you realize that you don't like what happens?

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[RufusLeaking]

Channel 200 is the root of the problem.

Channel 200 is the root of All Evil.

There, I fixed it for you.

Channel 200 is where behavior problems are displayed.  It is a symptom, not the problem.

I have read this thread as a discussion of human behavior in groups, and an theoretical sweet spot of 150. 

Applied to the game, 150 seems like a low target for populating an entire arena.  150 per side seems like more fun.  450 potentially on channel 200 violates Dunbar's number, if I am following the discussion.  This is where detuning and squelch come in.

That this thread took all of three pages (and 534 views as of this posting) to get to flaming is interesting. 

Most of us can learn a little etiquette.  Skuzzy's Finishing school?