How about the A26?

[guncrasher]

People that fondly remember the Invader from AW I think will be in for a rather big surprise if the Invader is ever added to the plane set.  What made the Invader so good in AW was not the plane itself but the rather grossly inaccurate AW flight model that allowed the plane to perform far better than it was able to in real life.


ack-ack

Unlike the accurately modeled 110 in ah which was not allowed to go to England towards the end of the war due to the easiness at which the spitfires and hurricanes would bring it down.


semp

[Avanti]

+1

it's a yay from me

[dirtdart]

I seem to recall an A26 running in the unlimited gold heats at Reno.  I could be wrong, but for some reason that comes to mind.  If AW ran an inaccurate flight model, then maybe it is all tearful nostalgia. 

If we objectively look at staying power, the A26 is the bomber that outlived em' all.  I am also pretty sure that aside from the B-52 there have been no other three war bombers.  On service life alone we might want to look at honoring the plane and it's designers by having it as part of our plane set.

Think of it in terms of the Spit 1 though Spit 16, Pony B Pony D, the Invader was the evolution of the Havoc. Climbs just a bit better, lifts a heavier load, and is faster. 

Dirtdart (currently flying as Crusader until I get bored with that name)

[Mus51]

+1

[olds442]

It has high wing loading, even empty.  It won't turn inside much of anything.  Well, it would turn inside a B-29.

your dead worng its fast turns insides all 109(besides the 109 F4)

[pwnorris]

+1


Of course, if an A-26 jumps a ME-109, the 109 pilot needs to get out fo the way ... fast.

[Yossarian]

your dead worng its fast turns insides all 109(besides the 109 F4)

If you have any sources, please quote them!

[Karnak]

your dead worng its fast turns insides all 109(besides the 109 F4)

Wing loading says otherwise.

[Ack-Ack]

your dead worng its fast turns insides all 109(besides the 109 F4)

Evidence proves you to be dead wrong.  If you have anything concrete and verifiable evidence the A-26 out turned any Bf 109 with the exception of the F variant, please post it. 

Since you obviously missed it the first time, here is the section from the Invader's pilot's manual about prohibited maneuvers.

A) All aerobatics
Looping, spins, rolls and violent stalls are prohibited.  The airplane has a wingloading of 60 lbs. per square foot normally loaded with flaps up.  It was not designed for air circus maneuvers or student aerobatic training.

B) Vertical banks
Remember the A-26 has a high wingloading, and your stalling speed increases with your rate of bank.  For example, at 32,000 lbs. gross in a 60 degree bank with the airplane clean and power off, your airplane stalls at 192 mph (42% higher in a 60 degree bank than in level flight).

All these maneuvers are prohibited chiefly because of the high wingloading of the airplane.  Take the airplane's designers and your instructors word for it.  Don't experiment.

when can we expect to see your sources?

ack-ack

[Dichotomy]

I want the tanker version so I can put fires out

In seriousness it's a plane I'd like to fly some day. 

[cactuskooler]

[Yossarian]

Evidence proves you to be dead wrong.  If you have anything concrete and verifiable evidence the A-26 out turned any Bf 109 with the exception of the F variant, please post it. 

Since you obviously missed it the first time, here is the section from the Invader's pilot's manual about prohibited maneuvers.


when can we expect to see your sources?

ack-ack

Just out of interest, do you have any data on its stall speeds when lighter than 32,000lbs?  I was looking at its weight, and 32K lbs seems very close to the max. take-off weight.  I have one of those big aeroplane encyclopaedias, and it says (or at least has a quote from an A-26 pilot saying) that a light A-26 could (or at least did) outturn a 109.

[DEECONX]

The way I think I remember hearing it was like, the propeller pushes air currents around and about the airframe in a clockwise direction.The airstream strikes the left side of the stabilizer and rudder, yawning the nose of the airplane to the left!. A left turning tendency results from the fact that the descending propeller blade takes a bigger bite out of the air than does the ascending blade, which is on the left. Pilots used this phenomenon to there advantage in a dogfight which allowed them to out turn a 109.

DONT QUOTE ME ON THAT! But, like I said, I think that's the way I heard it somewhere....

[Karnak]

Quick and dirty numbers:

A-26:
Empty: 42.3lbs/sq.ft
Loaded: 51.1lbs/sq.ft
Overloaded: 64.8lbs/sq.ft

Bf109G-6:
Empty: 34.0lbs/sq.ft
Loaded: 40.0lbs/sq.ft
Overloaded: 43.2lbs/sq.ft

Bf110C-4:
Empty: 24lbs/sq.ft
Loaded: 35.7lbs/sq.ft

Bf110G-2:
Loaded: 41.4lbs/sq.ft

Me410A-1:
Empty: 37.4lbs/sq.ft
Overloaded: 63.5lbs/sq.ft

Mosquito Mk VI:
Empty: 31lbs/sq.ft
Loaded: 41.9lbs/sq.ft
Overloaded: 48.5lbs/sq.ft

P-38L:
Empty: 39.1lbs/sq.ft
Loaded: 53.4lbs/sq.ft
Overloaded: 66lbs/sq.ft


Doesn't look like the A-26 would be out turning much.

[DEECONX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVQuH6L2IOI&feature=related 

This video gives mention to the A-26's maneaverability. But, as Ack-Ack has given examples of TV shows being wrong, take this as you will.