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Offline ROX

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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2010, 07:05:05 PM »
The advice on going to the local range and test firing as many different ones as possible is true.  SOME (read into that SOME) gun dealers will give you a full refund if you go to the range winin a few days--fire it some, can't stand the handgun and want to return it.  Ask about their specific rules.  The ones here in Central Arkansas are pretty honest with so many hunters and folks wanting home defence...but may not always give that option with fresh from the factory models.

After a lot of looking around, I decided on the .45 cal "Witness".  It's and Italian design but made in Florida.  It's a very nice piece.  I cannot stand the triggers on Glocks but others swear by it.  Guns, like food, are totally based on personal taste.

The Walther was a choice on my list and I considered a few 9mm's...but decided on the 45.  I figured that if someone breaks into my home--gets past the two german Shephards, they deserve the prize of going out in a hail of 45 cal fire.


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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2010, 07:40:02 PM »
Russian? I'm surprised you don't have a Baikal in that lineup :D  (I have a Baikal 243 which is an awesome lil rifle).

Honestly, I really enjoy hunting with primitive weapons. Something about pouring powder, and loading a Powerbelt and making that shot just feels good. During deer season, I'm not allowed to carry a modern side arm while hunting during muzzleloader season so I carry an 1860 Colt .44 Ball and Cap if I need a quick, short range follow up shot. Better to finish off a wounded deer with a ball and cap pistol than waste a lot of powder (and a Powerbelt bullet) producing an excessively destructive shot at 15-20 ft.


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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2010, 06:32:19 AM »
Don't like Berettas let alone 9mm. My advice go .45 cal 1911 or Sig.I prefer 1911's myself. 7 shots of good ole' 45.acp is plenty
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2010, 06:37:17 AM »
This ol' cat preferred his S&W .357 Magnum to any automatic - but you pays yo' money 'n' makes yo' choice. Happy shooting.

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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2010, 06:45:39 AM »
You rarely shoot over 100 yards, mostly less than 50 yards. A big heavy bullet at medium speeds does a really good job on boar and bear.

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I hunt deer with a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44mag (scoped) When you hit them its like the finger of god.

Shot a 9 point white tail 2 years ago with it. Dressed @ 220 He went right down,not a twitch. He was 25yards away.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2010, 10:01:23 AM »
i would advise getting anything in .45 acp

although, as much as i love the 1911, i would prefer this:
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=103270

because it holds 12 rounds instead of 7, and five more rounds of .45 acp is always comforting

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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2010, 10:32:41 AM »
If you want a 1911, but you want high capacity 45ACP, what you want is a Para Ordnance P-14 45. True pure 1911, the only variance from the John Moses Browning design is a wider grip frame. Mine is even based on the original Series 70, there's not even a magazine disconnect. Out of the box smooth, clean, crisp trigger, no creep, no overtravel. The two MecGar magazines work fine, so for $20 each I have two more high capacity magazines. The only drawback is that it does not like extremely cheap lower power ammunition, especially when it burns dirty. It does not like cheap white box crap.

For the average person, with proper hearing and eye protection, recoil from a 45 ACP is not even remotely an issue. My wife is smaller than petite. She prefers my 1911 pattern P-14 45 in 45 ACP to any smaller round she has shot. She prefers her 44 Special to a 38 special or 357 Magnum. And she is not a hard core shooter in the least. She likes guns, more as a tool, not quite as much as a hobby for fun. That's probably because she is so small, and most of my weapons are large and powerful. I only have a couple of rifles that are not magnums, and they're still fairly large and heavy, the only thing I have that is light is a 50 caliber Knight muzzle loader, and it kicks hard with the magnum level loads I keep for it. My shotgun is too big for her too. Being over a foot taller than her and a 100 pounds heavier makes it hard to have stuff of mine that she can shoot. Although she can tear stuff up with my 44 Magnum and my 1911. I'm betting she'll warm up to some lighter stuff I'm picking up just for her. But if she can shoot my 1911 well, anyone can.

Until you get into fairly hot loadings, or magnums, recoil is mostly between the ears, not between the hands. The majority of recoil issues for most shooters come mostly from poor eye and hearing protection, followed by poor gun handling. The truth is, unless you are shooting +P, +P+, or some of the defense rounds, the vast majority of factory ammunition is considerably downloaded from the SAAMI standard. There are some rounds that are just not friendly by their nature, their design makes them less pleasant. For the most part, they are the smaller rounds, mostly sub 40 caliber, and usually because they require a fast sharp pressure curve to generate power. That makes for a sharp recoil and excess muzzle blast. When you get to the 44 and 45 caliber cartridges, the recoil is slower and smoother, and the muzzle blast is deeper, and duller. The smaller stuff gives your hands a "smack" and your ears a sharp "bang", where the heaver stuff gives your hands a "shove" and your ears a "boom".

As to hunting deer, I switch to a 180 grain JHC  bullet for deer, it clocks right at 1800 fps from my 6" Dan Wesson. It shoots flat, it hits hard, and it drops them quickly. Just don't hit them where there's meat you want to eat. Even at around 100 yards, it goes all the way through, and makes a huge hole.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2010, 12:34:12 PM »
Isn't there a video around of that Para Ordinance shooting 1000 rounds in 10 minutes, just to show the reliability of it?  I can't search from work, but I do remember watching a segment on a TV program (maybe 'Shooting USA') a few years ago where they put that gun to a torture test like that.

You described the recoil of the .45 very well, actually both .45 ACP and .45 LC.  I think it's such a nice, smooth recoil, and makes the follow up shots easier for most people compared to a light-framed 9mm or .40.

My 9mm and 10mm are both stainless S&W's, a 5906 and 1006 respectively, so they have a good amount of weight to them and the recoil on each is firm, but not snappy.  It's easy to do doubletaps within a few inches of each other when shooting either pistol, and I attribute it to the weight, especially on the hot 10mm loads.  My good friend has a Delta Elite, so a 1911 frame, and I think the little bit of weight difference makes it less controllable for me in 10mm.  It's also gives a little bit more 'kick', but not 'snap' like the .40's.

A Ruger Blackhawk was mentioned earlier, and I absolutely love shooting the Ruger single action revolvers.  My main experiences are with a Single Six .22 Magnum and a Vaquero in .45 LC (which is just soooo smooth -- squeeze the trigger, hear a "pud", and see the hole in the paper).


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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2010, 03:50:45 PM »

Glock.  You will be happy with what you get.

Pros:
1.  Less $$$
2.  Extremely Reliable
3.  Very Accurate
4.  Easy to maintain
5.  Easy to use
6.  Huge selection of accessories
7.  Parts very readily available

Cons:
1.  Can't think of any off the top of my head...

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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2010, 03:52:53 PM »
Cons:
1.  Can't think of any off the top of my head...

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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2010, 04:10:37 PM »
Not a Glock fan myself.

Speaking of sigs, a 229 would probably be a better pick than a 92FS in the long run.  I love my 229, and the 228 described would be awesome too. 

I also have a Para 1911 with the 14 round mags.  They shoot very well.  It's my bedside gun, with the tac light I have on it.  It's a little more weight and bulk in the handle than I want to carry, though.

In the long run a 1911 may serve you better, but some people are just more into the other automatics.  I'd recommend the Springfield XD over the Glocks in the boxy, striker fired catagory.  Still, think Sig.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2010, 04:11:34 PM »
A couple pictures of Glock failures doesn't prove anything.  :rolleyes:  

I like my Glock but fully understand someone who wouldn't like the look, weight, feel, safety or trigger of the gun.  But arguing reliability, come on.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2010, 04:12:32 PM »
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Hot loads or accidentially double charged a reload. I see that happen occasionally. ( i help a friend out that owns an indoor gunrange / gunstore, I usually work the gun store, but am on the range occasionally.) Guns "usually" dont have catastrophic loss like that due to poor manufacturing
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2010, 07:36:08 PM »
Not a fan of the Glock either.  I'll take a Sig or Kimber any day.
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Re: Thinking about getting a Pistol, need some advice.
« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2010, 12:14:45 AM »
If you want a .40S&W get a Sig P229 SCT, if you want a .45ACP get a Sig P220 ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES! If you want a 9mm keep giving your boyfriend HJ's till you have the wrist strength to shoot a .45  :joystick:  :neener:  Just joking with you but if you want something to defend yourself the 9mm is no good. Target shooting maybe but the .40 would be better just in case you know.
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