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Offline 1Boner

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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2010, 09:35:27 AM »
I replaced the battery yesterday.

I have a digital read out on the dash.

I can bring up the battery voltage.

Pretty sure its supposed to be around 14.

Its varying.

Could the problem be the alternator?
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« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2010, 10:14:28 AM »
well Bonor it's sad to say but your car is down right pissed at ya, see... he knows your a Bop and hates you for it.............. :D




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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2010, 11:18:33 AM »
Have you checked the fuel injectors yet? If it is losing acceleration it could be that the fuel isn't getting to where it needs to go in a sufficient quantity. Just a guess, I'm not a grease monkey  :D
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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2010, 11:19:14 AM »
alternator will not make it miss . If you think it's the alternator , take the battery cable off of the hot post and see if it keep's running . If it go's dead it's the alternator if it don't it's good .
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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2010, 01:13:10 PM »
p0300 is a random misfire. that means that every cylinder is misfiring at one point or another.


Not nescessarily CAP,  P0300 will come up with any more then two cylinders on a GM missfiring.  Try to think back to any GM car that gave you more then two p030? codes at one time.  After they get past two it's a p0300.  Try it at your shop next time you get some free time for an experiment.  I believe they did it this way to make the p0300 code setting parameters the same across the lines eg. 4cyl same parameter as a V8.

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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2010, 01:26:53 PM »
alternator will not make it miss . If you think it's the alternator , take the battery cable off of the hot post and see if it keep's running . If it go's dead it's the alternator if it don't it's good .

That's a very bad thing to do to a modern car full of electronics. Especially when various parts stores will test it properly for free.
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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2010, 01:31:01 PM »
There are a lot of people more knowledgeable than me but when my exploder was running rough while at idle.  Found out it was sucking air at the top of the EGR system.  Sprayed a little starter fluid or carb cleaner (don't remember what I used) to find the leak.
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« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2010, 03:41:18 PM »
Check your battery ground cable at both ends.
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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2010, 04:11:54 PM »
I replaced the battery yesterday.

I have a digital read out on the dash.

I can bring up the battery voltage.

Pretty sure its supposed to be around 14.

Its varying.

Could the problem be the alternator?
no.your charge qwill vaery from a low of 12.50 to about 13.75. 12.5 would b e the lowest you want to see.  At idle with everything on hi, that will be your approx. Reading.
 For the roughness, you waant to eliminate the common basics first,,,namely in thew ignitignition system.
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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2010, 04:14:09 PM »
alternator will not make it miss . If you think it's the alternator , take the battery cable off of the hot post and see if it keep's running . If it go's dead it's the alternator if it don't it's good .

Nonono NO!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2010, 04:18:00 PM »
Not nescessarily CAP,  P0300 will come up with any more then two cylinders on a GM missfiring.  Try to think back to any GM car that gave you more then two p030? codes at one time.  After they get past two it's a p0300.  Try it at your shop next time you get some free time for an experiment.  I believe they did it this way to make the p0300 code setting parameters the same across the lines eg. 4cyl same parameter as a V8.

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96 buick roadmaster estate wagon. 2 months ago.p0300, p0302, p0306.

Tune handled it.

I know what your talking ab out on the misfire monitor though....when I,m in dou t, I go there.
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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2010, 04:39:44 PM »
alternator will not make it miss . If you think it's the alternator , take the battery cable off of the hot post and see if it keep's running . If it go's dead it's the alternator if it don't it's good .

If the car is from 1962, yes that is the case.

On any car made since... about 1980... this is NOT A GOOD IDEA, especially on this Cadillac which probably has at least a dozen computer modules, any of which can be destroyed by a voltage spike that results from this kind of dangerous practice.  It "IS" possible for a charging issue to cause driveability issues... I've seen it a few times due to a bad diode or voltage regulator.. one way you can test this is to just unplug the electrical connector for the alternator and drive it (make sure the battery is fully charged prior)... but I don't feel this is likely.

You mentioned the voltage is jumping around?  Exactly what voltage values are you seeing? Anything between say... 13.0 to 14.8v is pretty much acceptable... this is going to vary somewhat based on engine RPM, electrical loads, mechanical loads, etc...

As for an injector issue... not likely for an engine with multiple misfires.  There is an injector for each cylinder, and chances of more than one going bad at once is next to nil.  Also, any problem in the injector circuit itself (including an injector that is electrically stuck shorted or open) will set a separate fault code.

Some do have a good point though.  If you can obtain a scanner that will display live readings, including individual cylinders' misfire counts... then you can drive around and have someone watch which cylinders are misfiring the most... this could at least narrow it down.  If it's always the same 2 or 3 cylinders it's likely only a tune issue, whereas if all eight cylinders are triggering misfires, it could be a timing, fuel supply, or electrical issue.  I've also seen a plugged catalytic converter set misfire counts, but this would be all four cylinders of the same bank (i.e. #1,3,5,7 or #2,4,6,8)

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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2010, 04:58:34 PM »
Great ideas!

You guys are the best, thanks again for all the answers.


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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2010, 05:42:25 PM »
Just a guess, but it sounds like a dying coil pack.  I had the same issue on a 3.1 L motor years ago.  Changed the coil pack, plugs and wires out and was good to go.
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Re: Car Trouble!!
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2010, 06:50:02 PM »
carbon buildup around the crank connector? :headscratch:




Or maybe the valve bearings...........
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