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Manock

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« on: January 23, 2000, 01:04:00 PM »
Not a bad day for reality flyers.  Only ran across one superfast spitfire.  He was canyon flying, and I couldnt catch him in a Mustang dive, so I couldnt even get shot down by him to see who he was.
In case there are some new flyers who are skepticle heres the URL explaining the problem of hacked-enhanced planes.  http://www.combatsim.com/htm/sept99/multi-edit.htm    We'll get this place cleaned up, and tip top shape in no time.
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Offline glars

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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2000, 01:16:00 PM »
 
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Got an url for your guncam film so we can see them too?

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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2000, 01:45:00 PM »
Massively multi-player becomes a gigantic whale rotting on the beach in this context, since the disincentives don't exist to counter cheating.
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Thats a line of crap and your paranoid.

I have seen firsthand that hackers did enter the server, were found to be hacking and lost their accounts in several online games.

As far as disincentives, bullcrap.  The incentive is to maintain a hackfree
environment or lose paying customers who will not pay to compete against people who cheat by altering code.

I have yet to come acrosss anything in AcesHigh the comes even close to suspected hacking.

As far as Im concerned, people who hack in pay for play online games are in the same league as people who steal property and money from decent folk.  Petty criminals.
Bring up the Stocks and hang signs over their necks telling everyone they do sheep
for fun!

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2000, 02:33:00 PM »
 I have seen to many really odd things in AH, to even think about finger pointing. It is still a beta.
 Nobody has more to lose then the severs. So i cant se them just letting it ride.

 The end of the artical makes a good point though. I am an example of this. I was CO of the top ranked squad in WB,s ACA. When it turn out that one of my boys was cheating. I cut him loose. Then apologised on AGW. I then resigned from the squad. My feeling was that if this was the sort of behavior I inspired. I had no business being a CO. I have avoided the whole squad thing ever since. But I want to say that I agree that this is a great solution to the problem. And squads can be the most fun you can have online, to boot.

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2000, 02:40:00 PM »
ROFLMAO!!!   This guys good to have around...just for the comic relief!

It really brightens up my day to see a post with "cheating" and Manock on the same line  

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2000, 02:49:00 PM »
Saying that the Online gaming companies don't do anything about hacking is just plane false information.  You obviously haven't been around long ManChild, or you would remember situations where people were booted from games like Warbirds.  I remember when the Me163 was available in Warbirds, and then got locked out in the next version.  (Maybe it was the 262?)  A few folks made a small change to allow them to fly this bird offline and distributed the changed file.  Problem was, when they connected online with the modified version, HiTech had the alarms going off.  People were getting losing accounts on that one, and it took some doing for them to get accounts back.  Some never did.

I notice in the article you quoted nobody tried going online with a hacked FE.  Anybody can hack an FE and film something offline, that doesn't tell me anything.  If you want to prove cheating online can be done, why don't you try it yourself.  Post a film of yourself going online with a hack and doing something obviously uber.  We'll see how long you have a valid account.

I don't really expect you to have the guts to try this.  If you do however, I imagine we'll find you without a valid account shortly thereafter.  Until you can show me evidence like this, your arument is, as Shakespear said, "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."



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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2000, 03:15:00 PM »
I don't know who those guys are at Combatsim (Raider/Viking1) but they appear to be misinformed and don't represent my views at all. I don't think cheating is by any means rampant in WB and/or Aces High. WB has had anti-cheat code in place almost from the beginning. I don't know about Aces but if they don't have it now they soon will.

It is certainly in the interests of iEN, HTC, Playnet, or any pay for play organization to make absolutely sure that people don't get in and ruin gameplay for everyone else. I think it is priority one for them and if it isn't, a few real documented cheaters will force it to be.

Right now we are in *BETA* and who knows what sort of effects will be seen from bad connects, bad packets, etc. I cringe when I hear someone on the radio buffer start accusing someone of cheating as most of these are "you must be cheating because I can't fly as good as you" scenarios. How many apologies and testemonials have you seen after someone gets accused of cheating?

And this guy Viking1 is so full of it his eyes must be brown. Nothing beats the fun of flying in a squad of real people or defeating a human opponent. Computers don't get pissed - they just recite scripts that computer programmers provide them with. "Yes sir! Beans for breakfast... <tick> Yes sir! Beans for breakfast..." Playing with synthetic opponents and allies is not unlike having your very own silicon love doll. It just aint the same and never will be.

I'm surprised that Combatsim is putting such junk on the web. The arenas that have the biggest problem (ask anyone who plays Delta Force) are the ones that allow unlimited free play as a sidebar to buying their off-the-shelf sim. There is no real impetus to fight cheating as they have already made their money and most of their customers don't play online. It is not essential to their survival.

Junk. Cheating *is* a problem but almost to the man/woman I think we have a really good group who are above that. Most cheaters aren't ponying up the money to play the pay for pay and if they are in Aces I think they will disappear as soon as it does go pay.

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2000, 03:41:00 PM »
Your name should be man-crock-because all your whines are just that. Why don`t you find something else to do with your time junior? Maybe go fly Janes WW II Fighters offline-or is the A.I. cheating and hacking too?   He-He after checking your scores I *doubt* anyone would need cheats or hacks to give you a thrashing.

 



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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2000, 03:51:00 PM »
"I'm surprised that Combatsim is putting such junk on the web."

 They always have. It's the Internet version of HardCopy.

 I would have to say that if Mansuck was ever hanged for intellegence they'd have an innocent man swinging on the end of that rope.

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2000, 04:09:00 PM »
Curly-

Remind me not to argue with you- I always get such a kick out of your colloquialisms.  

To TPTNRHR (The Pilot That Never Reads His Replies)-

Try to say one nice thing today... about anything at all...   Ralph Nader you're not, so don't bother with protecting the consumer here.

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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2000, 04:30:00 PM »
Surly,

You're saying that sims and such are never hacked? Of course they bloody are. I remember flying in WB.. a squad invited me to gun one of their b25's. We flew over to some field, bombed it and then the pilot proceeded to go down from 17k to 500 feet in like 15 secs. I said wtf how'd you do that.. they replied saying it was some special spin.. yah right I was never able to duplicate the spin. Cheating occurs in ALL online games, just to varying extents.

It seems there are always creeps out there who think they can break the rules. (the same kind of people who cheat at poker and get the @#$@ beaten out of them)

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2000, 04:45:00 PM »
Keep it up Mansuck, Curly's on a roll  

Curly you kill me  

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2000, 05:59:00 PM »
<Delete> www.combatsim.com


Don't need bookmarks like that.

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2000, 06:16:00 PM »
Of course cheating and hacking are going on.  What other explaintion can be possible for the times I get shot down!

Every pilot who has shot me down is cheating.  Due to my superior ACM skills and my vast knowledege of airframes any pilot who shoots me down is cheating!  

Sorry guys/gals, just the plain truth!

Of course you know this means that almost every pilot in AH is cheating!

So next time you are about to shoot me down, think twice.  It would be better if you just turned away and left me alone.  This way you won't get accused of cheating!

Have a nice day!  




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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2000, 06:18:00 PM »

Sorry Haha,

Wrong again. The stall-spin to drop from alt to capture the field is not a cheat. We used it many times. See how the uninformed can start a cheater cheater myth. Just because you haven't been taught the maneuver doesn't mean it's a hacked plane. Throw in warps and most players have no idea if a player's cheating.