Radar detection capabilities.

[druski85]

The way most folks in the MA's are I think this would have the exact opposite effect of promoting combat.
 

Nailed it.  Good in theory, but this would just push fights higher. 

-1.

[1Boner]

Nailed it.  Good in theory, but this would just push fights higher. 

-1.

Then put a ceiling cap of say 20k on all planes, including buffs.

There has to be a way to force the sissies to fight.

What would be the reason to fly above that? To avoid fighting?

[waystin2]

Then put a ceiling cap of say 20k on all planes, including buffs.

There has to be a way to force the sissies to fight.

What would be the reason to fly above that? To avoid fighting?

Hello Boner,
I have scrapped with you a few times and you know I enjoy the fight.  So with that qualification out there, I must say that some of the most kicka** fights I have had have been above that 20k ceiling.  Planes with altitude does not necessarily equal timidness.  A ceiling on alt is unneeded.  I'll kill them high or low, wherever I find them.  To force anyone to fight who does not want to will just force the avoidance behavior to occur another way (running away at high speed, going where there is no DAR, hording for protection, I can think of more...).  I agree with you! I like to get it on, and I hate chasing folks.  So I just hunt them relentlessly or ignore them.  A friendly suggestion to you to do the same.

 

Way

[gyrene81]

Then put a ceiling cap of say 20k on all planes, including buffs.

There has to be a way to force the sissies to fight.

What would be the reason to fly above that? To avoid fighting?

LOL, you're so far off the mark it's incredible. I'll take bombers up beyond the 20k mark because I know it's the best bet for surviving a bomb run. I'll take fighters up that high looking for bombers. Doesn't matter how high or low people are flying, if someone wants to get to them they will find a way. Just because they don't want to be low on the deck with you doesn't mean they are trying to avoid a fight, sometimes it's just avoiding the horde or forcing the fight to a different altitude.

[1Boner]

LOL, you're so far off the mark it's incredible. I'll take bombers up beyond the 20k mark because I know it's the best bet for surviving a bomb run. I'll take fighters up that high looking for bombers. Doesn't matter how high or low people are flying, if someone wants to get to them they will find a way. Just because they don't want to be low on the deck with you doesn't mean they are trying to avoid a fight, sometimes it's just avoiding the horde or forcing the fight to a different altitude.

LOL!! I'm off the mark saying that ALOT of guys are up that high avoiding fights? What game are YOU playing?

I understand the bombers going high to increase survivablity and the guys that hunt them.

I just want to be able to click on a sector and see the altitude of planes in that sector so I can set up a proper offense or defense.

The girlie score boiz already run now, what would be the harm of knowing their alt?

[Tec]

so I can set up a proper offense or defense.

That is where your logic breaks down and my initial post comes to fruition.

[gyrene81]

The girlie score boiz already run now, what would be the harm of knowing their alt?

Ok, I'll agree with that one. But, if the horde is coming in at 15k with bombers, you're not going to be foolish enough to up from the field that's getting attacked...are you? In the case of several people attacking a field with fighters, they have to drop down from their perches anyway, so the only alt you need to know about is the one you can get to before they arrive.

I'm usually on during prime time when both LW arenas are busy and I don't see A LOT of people avoiding fights. I do see a lot of people flying smart and using the advantages that altitude gives them.

[1Boner]

C'mon, flying smart?

The NOE guys were "flying smart" too! (hit em where they ain't)

And they were accused of avoiding fights.

While I'll admit there is a "slight" difference between the two, the end result is the same.

But I really don't care about all that, I just would like to know what altitude cons in a particular sector are flying at.

And knowing that altitude would help me decide what base to up from to intercept.

If they run when they find a "fight" co-alt, so be it, that is already happening with the run and climb types.

[1Boner]

That is where your logic breaks down and my initial post comes to fruition.

I'm preparing to defend my base from aprox.15 incoming cons.

My radar tells me there are 10 cons at 10k and 5 cons at 15k.

I can now dispatch 4 or 5 guys up to 15k to deal with the high boiz and the rest can stay lower to defend against the rest.

And if the higher cons decide they don't wanna fight against co-alt planes and run away--great!!

Maybe some guys will have to up from a nearby base, maybe not. Either way, the altitude info can be very usefull.

If I see a single con coming in at 25k, I probably won't bother upping from that base, or I may elect to up from a nearby base to intercept.


Logical?

[thndregg]

Then put a ceiling cap of say 20k on all planes, including buffs.

Hey, bud. I have to disagree with you there. High alt fights, such as B17's at 20K, and various interceptors & escorts higher than that do happen. I wouldn't mess with it. Our squaddies, including myself go into a climb especially when we get the crap beat out of us and we're trying to get back home. It is not that we avoid fighting. It's simply another tactical maneuver to counter the enemy's tactics to hopefully increase our chance of survival.

[1Boner]

Hey, bud. I have to disagree with you there. High alt fights, such as B17's at 20K, and various interceptors & escorts higher than that do happen. I wouldn't mess with it. Our squaddies, including myself go into a climb especially when we get the crap beat out of us and we're trying to get back home. It is not that we avoid fighting. It's simply another tactical maneuver to counter the enemy's tactics to hopefully increase our chance of survival.

LOL Thunder!, I disagree with it myself.

I said it out of frustration.

I don't really care how high somebody goes, but I would like to know how high they are, it can be very useful information.

And this information was widely available in WW2.

[gyrene81]

And this information was widely available in WW2.

Actually, no it wasn't. And a lot of it depends on what country you're talking about.

[1Boner]

Actually, no it wasn't. And a lot of it depends on what country you're talking about.

You may be right.

But not all countries had operable jets either, yet all sides in this game use them.

[W7LPNRICK]

I want shrike ARM's for my wild weasel....

[BowHTR]

if they do that, then they need to fix it to where radar cant see through mountains.

I see this as a bigger priority than knowing their Alt. If you wanna use it realistically then you should not be able to see a con coming if it is on the other side of the mountain.