GV Maps

[dev1ant]

well, seeing that the average fighter capable of carrying 2k of ord can fly at 350mph, and that the sectors are only 25mi across, you would need most of the map.

Personally, I feel that spreading out the airfields more would help. Say, 1 airfield per 4 sectors? That would increase the time it takes for aircraft to arive, it would place an increased focus on GV's, and would still leave A/C capable of being the main base takers provided they are willing to spend the time to do so.

So we should all have to fly farther to get to our fights in an Air Combat game so you don't get egged in your GV?

If you want a GV game, go find one. 

[Killer91]

Glad to see there's some positive feedback. I'm not sure if there would be the numbers Belial stated but even with 20 - 40 there would be some great battles.
I would spend all my time in the GV arena and prbably never go back to the MA.

[hlbly]

I think all you really need is a map or two with long distance for planes to fly to get to the gv battle .

[Nemisis]

So we should all have to fly farther to get to our fights in an Air Combat game so you don't get egged in your GV?

If you want a GV game, go find one. 

Well, seeing as the dispersion isn't much greater than some of the maps we have now, no you wouldn't. About the only change along those lines is that fights in this combat game (note: not an air combat game, one of the most common mistakes) would take place over uncapable Vbases rather than airfields.

It will require you to gain air superiority by being a better pilot rather than killing ack, placing 1 or 2 guys on vulch duty, and then turning the rest of your pilots on the fighters that are already up.




And do you call this an "Air Combat game" because the number of aircraft is larger than that of GV's, or because you feel they have a larger impact? I'm willing to bet that if we had the number of people in each reversed, the percieved importance would be reversed as well. With that many people all charging forward, you would need to place an increased importance on group tactics (just as in aircraft) since 1 tank could no longer slip through the lines and kill enemys from behind.

[Nemisis]

Ack-Ack, I don't care how many hours in GV's you logged 8yrs ago. The game has changed since then buddy. The reason the guys that drop 7 eggs in one string annoy me is because it take practicly no skill past timing. They can't beat you so instead of going somewhere else, they kill the fun.


Ack-Ack, you misunderstand me. My point is that I have no problem with the people who bomb in a manner that requires some skill past getting the timing down to within 8 seconds. That guy in the B-24 was putting his eggs right on top of us from 2k up.


I agree with you about bombing being a crappy way to farm perks or score. But if thats all they can manage, then thats what they'll do.


You seem to be using 'nerf' a good deal concidering I'm suggesting no change past that of having some good sportsmanship and a change in tactics.

[Ack-Ack]

Ack-Ack, I don't care how many hours in GV's you logged 8yrs ago. The game has changed since then buddy. The reason the guys that drop 7 eggs in one string annoy me is because it take practicly no skill past timing. They can't beat you so instead of going somewhere else, they kill the fun.

Are you really that dense to think that Lancstukas or level bombers carpet bombing GVs is a recent thing?  It's been that way since time immortal and people like you have been whining about it since AW.  It's no different than you spawn camping or HOing when you try to fight in an airplane, takes no skill to do either but yet you do it. 

Ack-Ack, you misunderstand me. My point is that I have no problem with the people who bomb in a manner that requires some skill past getting the timing down to within 8 seconds. That guy in the B-24 was putting his eggs right on top of us from 2k up.

No, I understood you perfectly.  You're whining because it pisses you off when someone carpet bombs you because in your itty bitty little mind, your ego can't stand the fact that someone that you consider to be lacking in skill killed you. 

I agree with you about bombing being a crappy way to farm perks or score. But if thats all they can manage, then thats what they'll do.

No they would not.  If they realize that pork and augering isn't going to farm them the perks like they thought it would, they will change their tactics to one that will yield them more perks for little cost.  Nor would they be taking a Tempest for pork and auger runs, kind of defeats the purpose. 

You seem to be using 'nerf' a good deal concidering I'm suggesting no change past that of having some good sportsmanship and a change in tactics.

Okay, so maybe nerf was too strong of a word but besides whining about being killed by someone you think has less skill than you do, you are want them to fly like how you want them to.  Okay.


ack-ack

[Nemisis]

No, I don't imagine it is a recent thing. But tactics and the means of ordanance delivery has changed, even during the 2yrs (give or take a few months) that I've been playing.

Ack-Ack, lay off the insults. I'm not insulting you or your playing in anyway. And if you can show me more than 3 GV'ers that support the lancstukas, then I'll let you have that one.

With a perked ordanance system, bomb****s would see a decline. But again, if they can't manage vulching (some can't), then they will stick to GV bombing, or make the change to a hurri IID.

[Ack-Ack]

No, I don't imagine it is a recent thing. But tactics and the means of ordanance delivery has changed, even during the 2yrs (give or take a few

The means of delivering ordnance hasn't changed at all, the reason why you think it has is because you're relatively new to this game and have no other experience to base your judgment on.

With a perked ordanance system, bombers would see a decline. But again, if they can't manage vulching (some can't), then they will stick to GV bombing, or make the change to a hurri IID.

A perked ordnance system would not cause a decline in the use of bombers, it wouldn't even impact their usage and in most cases would probably increase their usage. 


ack-ack

[Nemisis]

I've had discussions with several players that have been here since at least '03, and they say that the planes used and the tactics used to get ordanance onto a target have changed. Apperantly the mossie was quite popular for GV bombing, but saw a decline in favor of the A20 (IDK why, or if this is so). When the B-25 was added, I remember it wasn't used much untill people found how to kill panzers with the '75. After that, it saw an increase in use. Now, fighters such as the tempest, P-51, the P-38, and F4U-1D see use for GV bombing along side the A20, and B-25.


Srry, i meant to say GV bombers. If you expend 14 1000lb bombs for 2 kills, that would become a much less effective way to perk farm, not that it in any way effective now.

[Ack-Ack]

I've had discussions with several players that have been here since at least '03, and they say that the planes used and the tactics used to get ordanance onto a target have changed. Apperantly the mossie was quite popular for GV bombing, but saw a decline in favor of the A20 (IDK why, or if this is so). When the B-25 was added, I remember it wasn't used much untill people found how to kill panzers with the '75. After that, it saw an increase in use. Now, fighters such as the tempest, P-51, the P-38, and F4U-1D see use for GV bombing along side the A20, and B-25.


Srry, i meant to say GV bombers. If you expend 14 1000lb bombs for 2 kills, that would become a much less effective way to perk farm, not that it in any way effective now.

The Mosquito's traditional role has been that of a town killer and base porker, one that it is perfect for, it's rather light bomb load and inaccurate rockets really didn't make it all that great of a GV killer.  So when the Havoc came along with it's 4,000 pound payload, it naturally started to see increase use over the Mosquito to kill GVs. It's not a change of tactics, its just using a different weapons platform using the same tactics.

Since the very first day the B-25 was introduced into the game it was used as a tank buster, it's not recent phenomena.  That's why guys like Saxman and me have been asking for AP rounds and HVAR rockets for the B-25H since the day it was introduced.  When it was announced that we were getting the B-25H and other Mitchells, players were already starting to formulate ideas on how to use them against GVs.

Any fighter in AH that is capable of lugging a bomb or rockets has always been used against ground vehicles since the very beginning.  It's not something recent as you believe it is.

Like I said, nothing has changed and the tactics used now were the tactics used yesterday, last month, last year, last decade, etc.

ack-ack

[lyric1]

I say try it see what happens if it is a bust it's easily remedied.

[Nemisis]

I'll take your word for it as, like I said, I wasn't there to witness this.


And Ack-Ack, I was refering to the '75 not the plane. The B-25 was used (not always succesfully) from the begining like you said. One idiot kept trying to kill me from the front, and wouln't make any other shot.