Research of the Spit 16

[Megalodon]

I for one would like the Vc back.  

  .....That would mean I would get my Gondies back on the F-4 and an egg.  

Mayhem,

[Kev367th]

From what I've read so far it would seem that just about everyone, with the exception of the OP did their research on not only the spit xvi, but every other spit type and variant ever produced.

Not so much that.
Some don't realise that if you replaced the 2x50cals on the XVI with 4x.303's you have a mid 1943 LF.IX
Unless HT has fixed the FTH on the XVI ours is a LF.IXe anyway. The XVI had a FTH 1000ft higher than an LF.IX, last time it was checked ours was definately an LF.IXe, and NOT a XVI.

[SIK1]

Not so much that.
Some don't realise that if you replaced the 2x50cals on the XVI with 4x.303's you have a mid 1943 LF.IX
Unless HT has fixed the FTH on the XVI ours is a LF.IXe anyway. The XVI had a FTH 1000ft higher than an LF.IX, last time it was checked ours was definately an LF.IXe, and NOT a XVI.

See..

[Masherbrum]

1) because I fly pony and don't need to fly spits just to get back at someone, 2) Pony actually takes somewhat skill to fly in a dogfight unlike spixteen where you barely have to pull at all, and 3) I actually fly alot of fighters ack, I'm not a person sitting in a P-38 like you all day. Maybe you should try flying some other fighters for once and see where that gets you. Most of my deaths on the stupid stat list is cause by a load of gang bangers who can't only have 1 or 2 people after me, they have to make it a 10v1. That's obviously saying something that your that big of a threat to everyone and they really need you dead that fast.

BS it does.   Make sure you're above loitering and either bounce ad nauseum or "cherry pick".   Skill my arse.   

The only one that WILL turn in a Pony that I've seen in 8.5 years, is 0lDemon.   You are nowhere near his skill.   

[bustr]

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3. Take your poni to your local desiganted turn in center and receive a free spitfire in lieu of perk points.
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[Angus]

The SPit XVI was a very fine aircraft in real life, had combat and was loved by its pilots as well.
The IX LF was around before, as well as the Seafire III would better our Seafire. THe Spit 21 saw action as well and would better our XIV in some areas (range, torque)
Typical whine from somebody who does not know too much.
HT: Please upgrade our Seafire, add a Spit V CCC (1942?) as well as a Mk IX LF (1943?) with the + 25 boost, then the Mk 21 (1945), sit back, take a beer (or your favorite whisky) and open up the BB forum. Enjoy the whines, muhahahaha 

[THRASH99]

BS it does.   Make sure you're above loitering and either bounce ad nauseum or "cherry pick".   Skill my arse.   

The only one that WILL turn in a Pony that I've seen in 8.5 years, is 0lDemon.   You are nowhere near his skill.   

I never said I was "on top" of fighting. OlDemon isn't the only one who can turn in pony and fight well in it. There are only a few good pony pilots who quote "dogfight" in it, you should know out of your 8 yrs playing that most of the pony pilots are noobs who pick/cherry pick.  I said that pony takes skill "IN A DOGFIGHT" if you could not read as it was there, I never said it took any skill flying around itself. Basically when in a pony, you still have to think of your advantages and disadvantages as to all any other planes when up against any enemy fighter. Whether it's a 109, 38, 190, etc. There's only oldemon you been looking at my friend, plenty more out there if you look harder.

[Ack-Ack]

I never said I was "on top" of fighting. OlDemon isn't the only one who can turn in pony and fight well in it. There are only a few good pony pilots who quote "dogfight" in it, you should know out of your 8 yrs playing that most of the pony pilots are noobs who pick/cherry pick.  I said that pony takes skill "IN A DOGFIGHT" if you could not read as it was there, I never said it took any skill flying around itself. Basically when in a pony, you still have to think of your advantages and disadvantages as to all any other planes when up against any enemy fighter. Whether it's a 109, 38, 190, etc. There's only oldemon you been looking at my friend, plenty more out there if you look harder.

I think it is safe to say that we cannot include you in the small number of Mustang drivers like that like to get down and dirty and fight with it.

ack-ack

[THRASH99]

Lusche is absolutely correct.  No one has been able to prove that the Spitfire Mk XVI causes any unbalance in the game play and saying a plane "climbs well, accelerates good and goes as fast as it does" is hardly proof.  Oh, a Zeke can out turn it, as can a Brewster and a few others and the 190s roll just as good, if not better and again, some other planes as well.

ack-ack

With the drag that the pony had on its wings, why is it that it can't stay in a turn w/ flaps with spixteen? The spixteen out corners it like nothing. Why is that spixteen out accelerates the pony even though they have the same engine? Last but not least, why is it that the spixteen out climbs the pony like nothing too? Even due to the less weight that the spixteen has, talk to any historians about the planes and they'll tell you that the pony was way better than spitfires, talk to any pilot who flew spitfires and 51s during the war and they will tell that pony was a dominate fighter over the spits. So my question is for this, why are the later spitfires, 14 and 16, better than the pony?  

[THRASH99]

I think it is safe to say that we cannot include you in the small number of Mustang drivers like that like to get down and dirty and fight with it.

ack-ack

Here goes ack again with his smack talk to people who actually fly something "OTHER" than 38 all day. You wouldn't even be in the list of pony fliers, in fact, you probably never even try to set foot in one either. As you have said "I'd be successful in any other fighter" why don't you even fly them? That to me is instantly telling me that all you know how to fly is 38  

[Ack-Ack]

With the drag that the pony had on its wings, why is it that it can't stay in a turn w/ flaps with spixteen?

Maybe in "THRASH99 World" the P-51D (or any other Mustang) could out turn a Spitfire Mk XVI (or any other Spitfire) but in reality, even with flaps the Mustang could not out turn or turn with a Spitfire Mk XVI.  Hell, the Mustang couldn't out turn a P-38, why would you think it could against a Spitfire? 

I would really like to see what sources you have that claim the Mustang could, if anything it would be a very funny read.

The spixteen out corners it like nothing.

See my above comment

Why is that spixteen out accelerates the pony even though they have the same engine?

The Spitfire Mk XVI was a lighter plane, so I believe it has a higher power to weight ratio than the Mustang did and the acceleration bit also depends on the altitude both planes are at.  The Spitfire Mk XVI was primarily designed as a medium to low altitude fighter and its engine is tuned as such.  The Mustang on the other hand was a high altitude fighter and it's best performance figures reflect that.  At altitudes where the Mustang was designed to fly at, you will not see the Spitfire Mk XVI out accelerate or out climb the Mustang.

Last but not least, why is it that the spixteen out climbs the pony like nothing too?

See the above answer.

Even due to the less weight that the spixteen has, talk to any historians about the planes and they'll tell you that the pony was way better than spitfires,

Any historian that will go on record and say the Mustang was far superior to the Spitfire or vice versa is not a historian worth a damn. 

One famous USAAF fighter ace said of the only difference between the Mustang and the Spitfire was that the Mustang could do them over Berlin whereas the Spitfire couldn't.

talk to any pilot who flew spitfires and 51s during the war and they will tell that pony was a dominate fighter over the spits. So my question is for this, why are the later spitfires, 14 and 16, better than the pony?  

You should do yourself a favor and read the history of the USAAF 4th Fighter Group and of the RAF "Eagle Squadrons" and then come back and post your claim of former US Spitfire pilots saying that.  A lot of hearts were broken in the 4th when those that flew Spitfires had them taken away.


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Here goes ack again with his smack talk to people who actually fly something "OTHER" than 38 all day.

I only fly the Lightning in the main arenas.  In the dueling arena, I hardly fly the P-38 as usually most that duel me won't let me fly it as a prerequisite to a duel and when the H2H arenas were around, I would also hardly fly the P-38.  Though I do proudly admit that no current player probably has more hours in the MA flying the Lightning like I do.  

If you're trying to imply that because someone decides to devote themselves to one plane is somehow less capable of a pilot (such as your self) that flies multiple planes, well, that's just laughable.

You wouldn't even be in the list of pony fliers, in fact, you probably never even try to set foot in one either. As you have said "I'd be successful in any other fighter" why don't you even fly them? That to me is instantly telling me that all you know how to fly is 38  

I'm sure I wouldn't be in the list of the good P-51 drivers since I don't fly that plane.  So it stands to reason why one wouldn't think of AKAK as one of the top Mustang drivers in the game.

Let's put it to the test...you and me in a best out of five duel in the Mustang and watch how I beat you in all five.  Then we can switch to a best of five of you in a Spitfire Mk XVI and me in a P-51D and we'll see how badly you get beat again.  Then for chits and giggles, we can put me in a P-38J and you in a Spitfire Mk XVI and see how badly you get beat in the third round of duels.  If you're still willing to be my punching bag, we can do a 4th round of duels (again best out of 5) with you in a P-51D and me in a P-38J and we'll see this time how quickly I can beat you 5 times.  Deal?

What your mind doesn't understand that ACM in one plane is the same as in another plane, in short...it's the pilot not the plane.  That's your entire problem, you expect the plane to beat the other plane without realizing that the plane only does what the pilot tells it to do.  If the pilot is clueless then any 2 week wonder will be able to beat your bellybutton into the ground.  


ack-ack

[Oldman731]

talk to any historians about the planes and they'll tell you that the pony was way better than spitfires, talk to any pilot who flew spitfires and 51s during the war and they will tell that pony was a dominate fighter over the spits.

You have no sources for this, and I don't think you'll find any.

- oldman

[Guppy35]

With the drag that the pony had on its wings, why is it that it can't stay in a turn w/ flaps with spixteen? The spixteen out corners it like nothing. Why is that spixteen out accelerates the pony even though they have the same engine? Last but not least, why is it that the spixteen out climbs the pony like nothing too? Even due to the less weight that the spixteen has, talk to any historians about the planes and they'll tell you that the pony was way better than spitfires, talk to any pilot who flew spitfires and 51s during the war and they will tell that pony was a dominate fighter over the spits. So my question is for this, why are the later spitfires, 14 and 16, better than the pony?  

The fact that you consider the 16 later then the 14, speaks volumes.  The only advantage the Mustang had was range.  As a close in knife fighter, the Spit was better and the Mustang drivers who flew Spits would tell you this.  Had the Spitfire the range, there would have been no  Merlin Mustang.

[Karnak]

The fact that you consider the 16 later then the 14, speaks volumes.  The only advantage the Mustang had was range.  As a close in knife fighter, the Spit was better and the Mustang drivers who flew Spits would tell you this.  Had the Spitfire the range, there would have been no  Merlin Mustang.

And I will note that both the USAAF and RAF had long range Spitfire projects.  Had the Merlin Mustang not panned out it is possible that the problems, such as fully compressed suspensions on the ground, would have been addressed and Berlin capable Spitfires thrown into action.

Also note that a Berlin capable Spitfire would perform more like a Merlin Mustang than a Spitfire.