Research of the Spit 16

[Plazus]

BulletVI,

Please tell us what this book is that you are reading. List the information in the following order:

1. Title of the book
2. Author
3. Publisher
4. Year it was published
5. ISBN number
6. Number of pages
7. Please state the author's credentials (ie: is he/she an ex spitfire pilot, aircraft engineer, journalist, etc.) and other related information in regards to the author and/or publisher

[BulletVI]

OK its Called

Airplane The Complete Aviation Encyclopaedia
publisher ORBIS
Its over 20 folders of Civilian And Milatery Aircraft  Collected from 1989 -1999 and has every civy aircraft from 1920 -1999 and militery aircraft from 1914 or 1916 - 1999
It was something i collected out of pure intrest

[Guppy35]

As we all know the Spit XVI is just a Spit VIII With The wings clipped and uprated engine performance. Now i believe that the Spit XVI was Meant to be Mainly used as a replacement for the Spit VIII out in Burma ( the Pacific Theatre ) To allow them the use of High altitude for Escorting B-29's  To defend them from the KI84's. And also the fact that if the European war lasted another year the B17's Where to be replaced by the B29's ( But that never happened )

Try looking up the Spit XVI in Burma and you will find it saw more combat over Burma against the Japanese air force. As even the B29's didnt need them as the P38 filled the escort role for the B29's. But even these Spits where actually hybrids as they where Spit 8' upgraded with Grippen engines and Clipped wings. As we never really just scraped our old variants. We if possible upgraded them.
Like most MkV's where new MkII's And MkIV's with conversion Kits.

But hey i may be wrong

Your being wrong is being kind.  Whatever you read was a disaster of wrong.  I'm not even sure where to start to correct how wrong that is.

[BulletVI]

Guppy thats my explenation from a book now it may not be exactly worded as it was from the book thats why it may sound bad or completly wrong and thats why i put i may be wrong in on it

[lyric1]

Guppy thats my explenation from a book now it may not be exactly worded as it was from the book thats why it may sound bad or completly wrong and thats why i put i may be wrong in on it

Buy a scanner. Can't get it quoted wrong then.

[Kev367th]

Here we go from the book im reading is a list of spitfire variants there is a MkXVI listed and here's what it says. just gives you engine model and armament and wing type


Spitfire XVI : MkIX with a Packard Merlin 266; F or LF span; usually 'C' or 'E' guns; many with teardrop canopy ( total 1,054 )

And there is a picture of the Spitfire FR.MK 18E it has the same wing type and armament as the MkXVI and its a post war version serving with No 28 Squadron Far East Air Force Royal Air Force Kai Tak, Hong Kong, 1950

So it seems that the Mk XVI did have a very short combat career in Europe But not in the Far East

Oh geez.
Spit XVI - Merlin 266
Spit XVIII - Griffon

Two completely different animals!

Service date (all 3 are basically the same aircraft)-
XVI - Oct 1944
LFIX - Mar 1943
LFIXe - Apr/May 1944

[THRASH99]

I only fly the Lightning in the main arenas.  In the dueling arena, I hardly fly the P-38 as usually most that duel me won't let me fly it as a prerequisite to a duel and when the H2H arenas were around, I would also hardly fly the P-38.  Though I do proudly admit that no current player probably has more hours in the MA flying the Lightning like I do.  

If you're trying to imply that because someone decides to devote themselves to one plane is somehow less capable of a pilot (such as your self) that flies multiple planes, well, that's just laughable.



I'm sure I wouldn't be in the list of the good P-51 drivers since I don't fly that plane.  So it stands to reason why one wouldn't think of AKAK as one of the top Mustang drivers in the game.

Let's put it to the test...you and me in a best out of five duel in the Mustang and watch how I beat you in all five.  Then we can switch to a best of five of you in a Spitfire Mk XVI and me in a P-51D and we'll see how badly you get beat again.  Then for chits and giggles, we can put me in a P-38J and you in a Spitfire Mk XVI and see how badly you get beat in the third round of duels.  If you're still willing to be my punching bag, we can do a 4th round of duels (again best out of 5) with you in a P-51D and me in a P-38J and we'll see this time how quickly I can beat you 5 times.  Deal?

What your mind doesn't understand that ACM in one plane is the same as in another plane, in short...it's the pilot not the plane.  That's your entire problem, you expect the plane to beat the other plane without realizing that the plane only does what the pilot tells it to do.  If the pilot is clueless then any 2 week wonder will be able to beat your bellybutton into the ground.  


ack-ack

No, I know what you fly, this whole tour you haven't taken one lightning model, all J models, basically 38 this whole time. Why do you fly other planes in DA for? If you say your so damn good as you are, why can't you fly them in MA, need F3 mode so you don't die fast? How is it laughable that I fly different planes in MA? I'm actually challenging myself in MA unlike you who just flys 38 everytime. So if you were able to beat me in 1v1s, who cares, there are way better pilots than can make you look bad in about a minute ak, maybe even 30 seconds, and that's in the KOTH tournament (where there's actually better pilots than you if you haven't noticed). I don't care if you don't like how it's set up in there. If your so good, why don't you ever go in there and compete?

I'd really like to see how you would perform in a 38 in real life against someone, no plastic joystick will be in that ride my friend. You will see what it was really like to fly a 38 with the skill you say you have. I've heard some stories from a few 38 pilots that served in WWII that said the 38L had some problems with some control surfaces in some "dogfights".  Don't question my ability for flying more fighters than you in the MA just because you say your a good pilot when all you fly is the 38 in MA.

[SIK1]

No, I know what you fly, this whole tour you haven't taken one lightning model, all J models, basically 38 this whole time. Why do you fly other planes in DA for? If you say your so damn good as you are, why can't you fly them in MA, need F3 mode so you don't die fast? How is it laughable that I fly different planes in MA? I'm actually challenging myself in MA unlike you who just flys 38 everytime. So if you were able to beat me in 1v1s, who cares, there are way better pilots than can make you look bad in about a minute ak, maybe even 30 seconds, and that's in the KOTH tournament (where there's actually better pilots than you if you haven't noticed). I don't care if you don't like how it's set up in there. If your so good, why don't you ever go in there and compete?

I'd really like to see how you would perform in a 38 in real life against someone, no plastic joystick will be in that ride my friend. You will see what it was really like to fly a 38 with the skill you say you have. I've heard some stories from a few 38 pilots that served in WWII that said the 38L had some problems with some control surfaces in some "dogfights".  Don't question my ability for flying more fighters than you in the MA just because you say your a good pilot when all you fly is the 38 in MA.

  oh brother, here we go again.   

[Ack-Ack]

No, I know what you fly, this whole tour you haven't taken one lightning model, all J models, basically 38 this whole time.

I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head in disbelief.  You do realize that the P-38J is one of the various Lightning models, correct?  So by virtue of me flying the P-38J, I've taken at least one Lightning model up.  On a side note, if ENY gets to the point where I can't fly the J, I'll take off in a G instead.  

Also, the P-38 is the only fighter I fly in the MA.  You'll see quite a few B-25H sorties under my belt for each tour as well.

Why do you fly other planes in DA for? If you say your so damn good as you are, why can't you fly them in MA, need F3 mode so you don't die fast?

I think I already stated why but here is a recap.  1) most won't duel me if I fly the P-38 2) it gives me a chance to learn the strengths and weaknesses of other planes 3) The other person usually doesn't select the P-38 for the duel.

How is it laughable that I fly different planes in MA? I'm actually challenging myself in MA unlike you who just flys 38 everytime.

I said it was laughable that you think someone that flies one plane in the MA is somehow less "skilled" then someone like you that flies multiple planes.  

I'd like to see you fly a P-38 for a tour and see how well you do in it.  Since the Lightning is above your skill level in terms of flying, I will venture to say that you won't be very successful in it.  The P-38 is one of the more challenging planes to fly in the game, unlike the P-51D.

So if you were able to beat me in 1v1s, who cares, there are way better pilots than can make you look bad in about a minute ak, maybe even 30 seconds, and that's in the KOTH tournament (where there's actually better pilots than you if you haven't noticed). I don't care if you don't like how it's set up in there. If your so good, why don't you ever go in there and compete?

Sadly, if I had the time I would still fly in the KoTH but I don't and have had to give it up, along with scenarios.  I never had a complaint with how KoTH is or used to be set up, don't know why you mention that.

I'd really like to see how you would perform in a 38 in real life against someone, no plastic joystick will be in that ride my friend. You will see what it was really like to fly a 38 with the skill you say you have. I've heard some stories from a few 38 pilots that served in WWII that said the 38L had some problems with some control surfaces in some "dogfights".  

The above comment is priceless due to it's complete idiocy.

Don't question my ability for flying more fighters than you in the MA just because you say your a good pilot when all you fly is the 38 in MA.

I never questioned you choosing to fly more than one plane...you're the one that has a hang up about it.  All I said is that you suck really bad in any plane you fly.  Again, just because I fly the Lightning in the MA doesn't mean I don't have experience in flying the other planes, I just choose not to fly them in the MA.  

I've offered you the chance to see for yourself but you keep tap dancing to avoid having to accept and lose.  Too bad, was really looking forward to beating you soundly in your "plane of expertise".
 

ack-ack

[MiloMorai]

BulletVI, for your Spitfire education I would suggest you get hold of 'Spitfire: The History'.

This book will help with your cluelessness about the different Marks of the Spitfire.

[jamdive]

Bullet, please provide me with a list of tail numbers of aircraft you have been involved with so I dont fly one and spin to my death.

[BulletVI]

Bullet, please provide me with a list of tail numbers of aircraft you have been involved with so I dont fly one and spin to my death.

[BulletVI]

Spitfire XVI : MkIX with a Packard Merlin 266; F or LF span; usually 'C' or 'E' guns; many with teardrop canopy ( total 1,054 )

And there is a picture of the Spitfire FR.MK 18E it has the same wing type and armament as the MkXVI and its a post war version serving with No 28 Squadron Far East Air Force Royal Air Force Kai Tak, Hong Kong, 1950

Ok tomorrow i shall scan this info to my PC and prove that that is what is written in the book OK but for now night its now 2:30 am

[Guppy35]

Ok tomorrow i shall scan this info to my PC and prove that that is what is written in the book OK but for now night its now 2:30 am

28 Squadron flew Spitfire 18s after the war.  This was basically a strengthened late model Spitfire 14.  Save your time quoting your book.  Trust those of us who've been Spit history fanatics for the last 30 years on this one.

All Spitfires from about June-July 1944 were produced with the E wing so the IX, XVI, XIV and XVIII all had that wing.  As an example.  I have the logbook of a Canadian Spitfire pilot who was with 91 squadron in the summer of 44.  He specifically notes the E wing XIVs arrival in July of 44 with 91.  They'd transitioned from XIIs to XIVs with Universal wings in March of 44.

[SlapShot]

But hey i may be wrong

That is a given and a constant.