Mobile 88mm flak

[Nemisis]

No, it couldn't tow an '88. But its cannon could puch through the thin turret armor, killing the crew. Hell, I've turreted a wirb by shooting its turret with my coaxil MG.

[jamdive]

I never said that.  I said I could see this being used as a mobile AA vehicle, mobile direct artillery vehicle and a mobile anti-tank gun.  Which believe it or not, was the intended use of the Grille 10 88mm Flak 41.  However, it is a rather moot point since none of the Grille 10s made it beyong the prototype stage, with only a single prototype seeing action in Italy where it was sent to be evaluated under combat conditions.

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The gun used on the vehicle in my photo is a flak 37. Its just and improved version of the flak 36. The flak 36 was initially intended for AA use until they found out how well it worked against armour. Most flak 37, if not all where capable of AA or anti-tank uses. That gun on your vehicle was an example of "if it isnt broke, don't fix it".
The flak 41 is a pile as far as im concerned. I suppose you could split hairs on this all day though. I have no idea what that thing in your photo was designed to do.

[jamdive]

No, it couldn't tow an '88. But its cannon could puch through the thin turret armor, killing the crew. Hell, I've turreted a wirb by shooting its turret with my coaxil MG.

Oh, I got ya. <S> But like anything else, with some support it could be usefull.

[Nemisis]

IMO, its bread and butter would be as a self propelled AT gun. Take a shot from cover (and if you are good, you likely won't need a second), then scoot to a new possition. Given the height of the gun, it should be able to fire over hedge rows as well.

[jamdive]

IMO, its bread and butter would be as a self propelled AT gun. Take a shot from cover (and if you are good, you likely won't need a second), then scoot to a new possition. Given the height of the gun, it should be able to fire over hedge rows as well.

We have that already, its a Tiger tank.

[Nemisis]

Tigers can't quite fire over a hedgerow. And the Tiger has the armor to slug things out with anything but another tiger or a firefly. It seems to have reclaimed at least some of its "king of the battlefield" status, with the decline of firefly usage.



Also, anyone some information on it? I've done looking, but I can't seem to come up with anything worth while.

[Ack-Ack]

The gun used on the vehicle in my photo is a flak 37. Its just and improved version of the flak 36. The flak 36 was initially intended for AA use until they found out how well it worked against armour. Most flak 37, if not all where capable of AA or anti-tank uses. That gun on your vehicle was an example of "if it isnt broke, don't fix it".
The flak 41 is a pile as far as im concerned. I suppose you could split hairs on this all day though. I have no idea what that thing in your photo was designed to do.

The Grille 10 88mm Flak 41 was intended to serve in the same role as the Grille 10 88mm Flak 37.  

In late 1942, three prototypes were made (Grille 10 88mm Flak 37) and in 1944, re-armed with the 88 Flak 41 and renamed Grille 10 88mm Flak 41.  In my previous post, I mentioned that a single prototype of the Grille 10 88mm Flak 41 was sent to Italy for evaluation, reading further on the Grille 10 it was actually a Grille 10 88mm Flak 37 that had been reconverted to that type after being converted to the Flak 41.  Don't know why the Germans decided to re-arm one of the prototypes with the Flak 37 after converting it to a Flak 41 before sending it to Italy.  In any case, none of the Grilles saw combat which is unfortunate because they did have some very interesting Grille models, though some like the Grille 21 only carried 3 rounds with it.

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[Nemisis]

Too bad they didn't take this past the prototype stage. As with the Stuer Emil and Semovente 90/53, it could have proved very usefull had more been produced.

[jamdive]

Too bad they didn't take this past the prototype stage. As with the Stuer Emil and Semovente 90/53, it could have proved very usefull had more been produced.

Just give us towed 88's. They made over 10,000 of em.

[lyric1]

Just give us towed 88's.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

[jamdive]

What came first the chicken or the egg?

Whats your point?

[Nemisis]

What do you propose we use to tow them? The SdKfz 251 or the M3, neither of which could tow an '88?


And how should we impliment this? Should we require someone else to tow them, or should we let them spawn a truck or hauler with an '88 attached, which they can hop over to? I suppose the second option is viable, since we can already change possitions instanly in tanks.

[321BAR]

What do you propose we use to tow them? The SdKfz 251 or the M3, neither of which could tow an '88?


And how should we impliment this? Should we require someone else to tow them, or should we let them spawn a truck or hauler with an '88 attached, which they can hop over to? I suppose the second option is viable, since we can already change possitions instanly in tanks.

simple (well complex coading but simple in planning) add a generic gun tractor to tow the 88 to a position and allow the tractor to stay nearby unless destroyed so within a certain time period you can press a button and reattach the two and tow it again... this can be done for any AT guns... one person, two pieces

[Nemisis]

One problem I see is that a hauler sitting out in the open (and unless you can drive it around after unhitching the gun, this will happen at times) will be a dead give away of a towed gun in the nearest cover. People will be more aleart and may spot you before you have a shot (some guns are lower than others, and some may not be able to arch a round over some hedges). IDK if HTC could make it so you could unhitch the gun, and then go stash the hauler in a barn or in some trees 100yds away, and then switch to your gun.

[Ack-Ack]

What do you propose we use to tow them? The SdKfz 251 or the M3, neither of which could tow an '88?

Why would neither of them be able to tow a German 88mm?  Have you seen what the Sd.Kfz.7 tow vehicle looked like?  It was basically the German version of the M3 half track.






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