P38 damage

[The Fugitive]

My guess he is really not sure what he wants, so he is covering all the bases.

If its a bug as he reported he has posted in the bug forum.

If its not a bug he "wishes" the damage list for the 38 to be changed to show the two pieces of the elevator so that he can know which is damaged.

For me, I'm ok with only loosing half of my elevator on the 38 in stead of the whole thing so I think it shouldn't be considered a bug. As for the damage list, it really doesn't matter "which" elevator/side you loose as all it does is change the response you have on the elevator control. There is no shift to one side or the other that I have noticed like if you loose the tip of a wing.

[Ack-Ack]

If its not a bug he "wishes" the damage list for the 38 to be changed to show the two pieces of the elevator so that he can know which is damaged.

The damage list already displays that.


ack-ack

[The Fugitive]

The damage list already displays that.


ack-ack

heheeh shows you how often I check that list. I just fly it till it don't fly no more 

[SEseph]

The damage list already displays that.


ack-ack

It only shows a single elevator damage, I want it to show the differing sides so they are distinguishable. It has to somehow effect the aircrafts' balance as suddenly there's a huge missing piece, meaning weight shift. If it doesn't, there is another issue all it's own.

[SEseph]

I made a fool out of myself?   If you're REPORTING A BUG, why isn't this thread in the BUG FORUM and if you did.   What in the hell does your thread have to do with a WISHLIST?

you didn't read it again... I did post it in the bug area, was told it was normal, so I want it in the damage list. HTC admits there are two sections of the tail, so obviously there is a lacking in the damage report, which is why I asked for the wishlist. So, my statement stands, please research before telling me to research. Here's the link again, please check the dates between it and the wishlist before you jump on me again.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,292514.0.html

[Ack-Ack]

It only shows a single elevator damage, I want it to show the differing sides so they are distinguishable. It has to somehow effect the aircrafts' balance as suddenly there's a huge missing piece, meaning weight shift. If it doesn't, there is another issue all it's own.

Next time you have your elevator completely blown off, look at the damage list it will display elevator twice if both damaged/destroyed.

ack-ack

[Masherbrum]

Next time you have your elevator completely blown off, look at the damage list it will display elevator twice if both damaged/destroyed.

ack-ack

Shhhhh.   Keep that a secret.

[SEseph]

So let me ask, wings are two sections correct? Does it say Left Wing twice when you get shot up? Or does it say Left wing either way? If (and yes ack-ack, I checked, you're right but it's only half the issue I have with it) it does say only left or right while only having half there, then the elevator is an abnormality when it comes to the damage model because it doesn't represent the same as other aircraft. Also, HTC says it's a single elevator:

There is only one elevator on the P38's.

then how can we have two elevators under damage? If we do have two elevators under damage, why are they not labeled as left or right? If one is expected to look back to figure it out, why have anything labeled, as the same argument could hold true for any component on the aircraft....

I just want them labeled left and right... or 1 and 2. Remember my first post?

I'd like an elevator 1 and an elevator 2 in the damage list if this is a know abnormality. So far as I know, this is a unique problem to the P38, similar to the 110 damage flaw before.

Couldn't find the 110 rudder issue (think it was the rudder on the damage list)

[Ack-Ack]

So let me ask, wings are two sections correct? Does it say Left Wing twice when you get shot up? Or does it say Left wing either way? If (and yes ack-ack, I checked, you're right but it's only half the issue I have with it) it does say only left or right while only having half there, then the elevator is an abnormality when it comes to the damage model because it doesn't represent the same as other aircraft. Also, HTC says it's a single elevator:  then how can we have two elevators under damage? If we do have two elevators under damage, why are they not labeled as left or right? If one is expected to look back to figure it out, why have anything labeled, as the same argument could hold true for any component on the aircraft....

I just want them labeled left and right... or 1 and 2. Remember my first post?
Couldn't find the 110 rudder issue (think it was the rudder on the damage list)

Hopefully this time I'll be a little more clearer than in my first post so you can understand what is happening. 

Yes, you are absolutely correct in that the P-38 only has one elevator.  However, the game (for purposes of the damage model) treats the elevators as two seperate objects (this does not effect the elevators in the flight model, the flight model still treats the elevators as a single object), which can be either damaged/destroyed seperately.  It's not going to be labeled "Left/Right Elevator" in the damage list because it's a single elevator and not two seperate elevators like on most other planes in the game.

One thing you may want to check out to see if it's a bug with how the elevators are listed in the damage list is to take off in a regular single engine plane with two seperate elevators and have them damaged/destroyed.  Check the damage list and see if it displays "Left/Right Elevator" or just "Elevator". 

ack-ack

[Masherbrum]

Hopefully this time I'll be a little more clearer than in my first post so you can understand what is happening. 

Yes, you are absolutely correct in that the P-38 only has one elevator.  However, the game (for purposes of the damage model) treats the elevators as two seperate objects (this does not effect the elevators in the flight model, the flight model still treats the elevators as a single object), which can be either damaged/destroyed seperately.  It's not going to be labeled "Left/Right Elevator" in the damage list because it's a single elevator and not two seperate elevators like on most other planes in the game.

One thing you may want to check out to see if it's a bug with how the elevators are listed in the damage list is to take off in a regular single engine plane with two seperate elevators and have them damaged/destroyed.  Check the damage list and see if it displays "Left/Right Elevator" or just "Elevator". 

ack-ack

Correct.

[SEseph]

Hopefully this time I'll be a little more clearer than in my first post so you can understand what is happening. 

Yes, you are absolutely correct in that the P-38 only has one elevator.  However, the game (for purposes of the damage model) treats the elevators as two seperate objects (this does not effect the elevators in the flight model, the flight model still treats the elevators as a single object), which can be either damaged/destroyed seperately.  It's not going to be labeled "Left/Right Elevator" in the damage list because it's a single elevator and not two seperate elevators like on most other planes in the game.

One thing you may want to check out to see if it's a bug with how the elevators are listed in the damage list is to take off in a regular single engine plane with two seperate elevators and have them damaged/destroyed.  Check the damage list and see if it displays "Left/Right Elevator" or just "Elevator". 

ack-ack

While the explanation sounds valid and I will accept it at face value, how/why is it that, say, a wing can be only half there and the game says 'Left Wing' under damage, then when the other half of the left wing goes away, it still only says 'Left Wing" not 'Left Wing' x2? The same principle applies to the only half there, and there being two separate sections.

So here, let me amend my wish:

I wish that if a component that can be potentially damaged in part or as a whole, then said component is listed clearly as to the amount of damage. This would be inclusive of all wing structures, elevator structures on any P38 model and any pieces I may have missed that can be, as stated before, damaged in part or as a whole.

[Chilli]

Like I said, I really don't think it's a bug.  I think it's a byproduct of the new damage model in that before it was all or nothing and now we have some varying degrees of damage.  Now the elevators can be damaged whereas in the past it would have been completely destroyed, so it's basically treated as two seperate objects for the damage model.  Before the change to the damage list, when we received the updated damage model it did list elevators twice to account how they are now treated as two seperate objects but still considered a single elevator.  I hope this made sense.


ack-ack

Amendment? Since the elevator is one piece but the damage model looks like two separate pieces, sometime in a future update change the damage graphics for the elevator to show chunks missing one side or the other, but retain the one piece aesthetics (meaning the sections where the elevators on both sides are connected to the aircraft are still intact as well as the forward portions completely across, but large sections to either side will be destroyed if hit with enough force).   

Like this:

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[Ghosth]

Remember, the new damage model being tested in the WWI arena is eventually coming to the rest of AH.

Go up a plane get a wing shot up and look at what the new damage model shows.

I think you will be pleased and surprised.

Before they changed it the whole list for the damageable parts took 2 full columns.

[Old Sport]

Well, a possible interim solution for the OP that may actually increase the "immersion" factor. Next time you get a damaged elevator, just look aft, both on the R and L side, and pull back a bit on the yoke. You can clearly see which side of elevator is or is not there from the cockpit with a little up elevator. 

[SEseph]

Well, a possible interim solution for the OP that may actually increase the "immersion" factor. Next time you get a damaged elevator, just look aft, both on the R and L side, and pull back a bit on the yoke. You can clearly see which side of elevator is or is not there from the cockpit with a little up elevator. 

If I have to look, why even have a damage display? Why say right wing? why say left elevator or right horizontal stabalizer? Why say Engine 3 or engine 1? Just make them look at it. Damage display should just read: "ALL SYSTEMS NORMAL" or "YOUR PLANE IS JACKED UP" because then we'd know to look. 

Remember, the new damage model being tested in the WWI arena is eventually coming to the rest of AH.

Go up a plane get a wing shot up and look at what the new damage model shows.

I think you will be pleased and surprised.

Before they changed it the whole list for the damageable parts took 2 full columns.

I did, SWEET. This will most likely give what I wanted.