lucky to be alive

[CAP1]

Limbo, first let me state that I think I speak for us all by saying that we are thankful that you and your friends are OK.  It looks like someone was definitely on your side when that happened.

Now here comes the part you won't want to hear, but like it or not all you can do is take in what we have to say and learn from your experience.

You ask us not to criticize your driving, so I'm going to criticize your logic instead.  First off, it *IS* your fault whether you think so or not.  Using your very own statement, "it had nothing to do with my age or my speed" I should then ask what you think DID have to do with it then?  Was it the other driver's fault?  I'm kind of doubting that.  Was the pavement especially slippery?  Well, that is where age and experience does come in.  You already mention doing 5mph above the posted turn speed limit when this happened (we could argue all day long whether you were doing more than that or not)... but regardless it was still over the limit.. and that is, of course where speed comes in.

So, really, the fact is that your age AND speed had EVERYTHING to do with your accident.

Now I know you're upset that you've been involved in this kind of an incident, and it's very easily to get angry and defensive when in this position, but once you relax and calm down please look back at this thread and learn as much as you can from it all, after all the most important thing is that you and your friends are O.K. so from this point on all you can do is gain experience and learn from it.  It's great that you were wearing your seatbelt, but don't ever forget that if people were to change their driving habits and were to take in the experience to learn how to avoid these kinds of things in the first place, well that would save more lives than wearing seatbelts ever could.

In the mean time perhaps you might want to consider some sort of defensive driving course?  Might save you a lot on insurance premiums as well...

i would think something that would allow them to learn their cars abilities.

 i also don't see many bad weather driving classes either.

 my grandpop took me out in pretty much anything. hell.....he had me driving his 67 mustang one day when it was snowing hard.......then we had to go to the hardware store the next day, so i had to drive the 71 ford ranch wagon in it.

 those kinds of things are why i learned to learn what my car can and can't do.

[texasmom]

I'm glad you & your friends are okay.

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You ask us not to criticize your driving, so I'm going to criticize your logic instead.  First off, it *IS* your fault whether you think so or not.  Using your very own statement, "it had nothing to do with my age or my speed" I should then ask what you think DID have to do with it then?  Was it the other driver's fault?  I'm kind of doubting that.  Was the pavement especially slippery?  Well, that is where age and experience does come in.  You already mention doing 5mph above the posted turn speed limit when this happened (we could argue all day long whether you were doing more than that or not)... but regardless it was still over the limit.. and that is, of course where speed comes in.

So, really, the fact is that your age AND speed had EVERYTHING to do with your accident.

if what he says is how it happened, it was not his fault, the other driver was in HIS lane so he swerved to avoid and hit a guardrail, it was the fault of the other driver, 5 mph over the speed limit is nothing.


Limbo glad you and your friends are OK

I want to say that wearing your seat belt did not "save" your life, it just was not your time, one thing life will teach you when it's your time, you are done. period
I rolled a caravan 4 times at 70 mph, no seat belt, my wife was in the van, I had no injuries at all, she had half her face ripped open, broke two ribs, and many small injuries.

I know someone else that fell asleep at the wheel wearing his seat belt and died.

my point is this.
when it's your time to die, there is nothing you can do to prevent it, if it is not your time you are not going anywhere. no matter what.
I have met way too many people that have survived insane crashes, or falls or being crushed by this or that and survived in a situation that you would bet that no one survived.

thank the dood upstairs and go on with life and enjoy the beauty that comes with it.

[Buzzard7]

Should have traded some paint with the other driver. Makes it easier for them tho find the dirtbag.

[Limbo0]

      Ty all who wished me and my friends well and again for those who keep criticizing my driving this was not intended for that this is intended to help others learn from my mistakes so that maybe just 1 more person will drive safer and maybe survive a crash or not have one at all and yes i do wish alittle that i woulda traded paint with the other car so the blame wasn't all on me but my mind made a decision and i went with it cause it seemed less likely to hurt me and my friends i do really wish i could catch that bastard tho cause id i did id prob do to him what the crash did to my friends.

[Dichotomy]

glad you guys are okay and thanks for the public service announcement.  You got some good advice in this thread and it doesn't hurt an older guy to pay attention to it as well.  It never hurts anybody to have a reminder that A) life can jump up and cull a healthy one from the herd sometimes and B) it pays to practice constant situational awareness. 

[Limbo0]

   Ty im glad u see the point im trying to get across.

glad you guys are okay and thanks for the public service announcement.  You got some good advice in this thread and it doesn't hurt an older guy to pay attention to it as well.  It never hurts anybody to have a reminder that A) life can jump up and cull a healthy one from the herd sometimes and B) it pays to practice constant situational awareness. 

[trax1]

      Yes gents many of u no me and im very lucky to be alive cause thursday august 12th 1010 i wrecked my car into a guard raid then a 20 ft bank and then hit a tree while airborne by the luck of the draw me and my 3 friends were spared our lives mine only because of my seatbelt so to the point of this i just want to warn everyyone plz wear your belts <S>.(Image removed from quote.) and if someone tells me how to post pics ill post a picture of the car ty

I couldn't agree with you more Limbo, unfortunately I learned this lesson too late and have now been in a wheelchair the last 13 years because I didn't wear my seat-belt, my friend next to me in the car had his on and he walked away, so just make sure you use it because you never know whats gonna happen and I know it sounds corny but it could save your life, or save you from a life altering injury.

Heres the car I was in and like I said the guy in the passenger seat walked away because he had his on.

[Limbo0]

   Im sorry to hear that man this is the first and hopefully last accident im ever in and i am almost certain the seatbelt saved my life but atleas u lived my friend <S> thats an importaint thing just hopein what weve said on this thread may help others.

[trax1]

   Im sorry to hear that man this is the first and hopefully last accident im ever in and i am almost certain the seatbelt saved my life but atleas u lived my friend <S> thats an importaint thing just hopein what weve said on this thread may help others.

Yeah I always look at it as it could of ended up a whole lot worse then it did & I'm extremely lucky to even be alive.

[Dichotomy]

  Trax

[Dadano]

The accident clearly knocked the spelling and punctuation out of you...

[Tupac]

He said he had a concussion, why do you have to be a turd?

Some people just cant help it i guess.

[CAP1]

      Ty all who wished me and my friends well and again for those who keep criticizing my driving this was not intended for that this is intended to help others learn from my mistakes so that maybe just 1 more person will drive safer and maybe survive a crash or not have one at all and yes i do wish alittle that i woulda traded paint with the other car so the blame wasn't all on me but my mind made a decision and i went with it cause it seemed less likely to hurt me and my friends i do really wish i could catch that bastard tho cause id i did id prob do to him what the crash did to my friends.

none of what i said was intended as derogatory. i was merely trying to point out things that may help you in the future.


 

[CAP1]

I couldn't agree with you more Limbo, unfortunately I learned this lesson too late and have now been in a wheelchair the last 13 years because I didn't wear my seat-belt, my friend next to me in the car had his on and he walked away, so just make sure you use it because you never know whats gonna happen and I know it sounds corny but it could save your life, or save you from a life altering injury.

Heres the car I was in and like I said the guy in the passenger seat walked away because he had his on.
(Image removed from quote.)

when i got hit head on in my mustang....it was 3 miles from work, on the way home. back then, i would sometimes put the belt on, sometimes not.

 for some reason(grandmom looking down on me i think) as i approached the driveway to pull out of work, i stopped, put on my seat belt, and then left. it was drizzling. 5 minutes later i'm standing on the side of the road next to my totaled mustang.

since then, i never pull out onto ANY road now, without my seat belt. ever.