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Subs for port protection
« on: August 15, 2010, 04:32:02 AM »
Since we have subs in the port docked that don't move. How about the subs protect a port with in the ports radar only and have the Carriers spawn a little farther away from the port. Mostly because bombers come in low and kill the carriers before they can move 1 mile. Basically have carriers spawn a little more far away and stay hidden better. Have Subs just below the water that only can stay with in the radar zone of the port and of course be able to surface and fire there little guns. The Sub will visible by having a dot on it visible to enemy radar or a huge scope sticking out of the water. Have them about as easy to sink as a destroyer. A destroyers about as big the sub in the game. The sub doesn't have as many guns though but its under water a little bit so it makes up for it. In doing so the port has it carriers more hidden and safe and the port is protected by subs.
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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2010, 04:59:18 AM »
here we go again... at least this one has an interesting twist

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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2010, 06:07:44 AM »
it kinda makes sense that a ports ships that are at dock help defend the port..... unless they're mercs

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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2010, 08:33:29 AM »
Since we have subs in the port docked that don't move. How about the subs protect a port with in the ports radar only and have the Carriers spawn a little farther away from the port. Mostly because bombers come in low and kill the carriers before they can move 1 mile. Basically have carriers spawn a little more far away and stay hidden better. Have Subs just below the water that only can stay with in the radar zone of the port and of course be able to surface and fire there little guns. The Sub will visible by having a dot on it visible to enemy radar or a huge scope sticking out of the water. Have them about as easy to sink as a destroyer. A destroyers about as big the sub in the game. The sub doesn't have as many guns though but its under water a little bit so it makes up for it. In doing so the port has it carriers more hidden and safe and the port is protected by subs.

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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2010, 04:27:24 PM »
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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2010, 04:29:08 PM »
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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2010, 04:31:56 PM »
Since we have subs in the port docked that don't move. How about the subs protect a port with in the ports radar only and have the Carriers spawn a little farther away from the port. Mostly because bombers come in low and kill the carriers before they can move 1 mile. Basically have carriers spawn a little more far away and stay hidden better. Have Subs just below the water that only can stay with in the radar zone of the port and of course be able to surface and fire there little guns. The Sub will visible by having a dot on it visible to enemy radar or a huge scope sticking out of the water. Have them about as easy to sink as a destroyer. A destroyers about as big the sub in the game. The sub doesn't have as many guns though but its under water a little bit so it makes up for it. In doing so the port has it carriers more hidden and safe and the port is protected by subs.

The weapon a submarine would have a chance against one of the fleet ships are the torpedoes, a submarine's deck gun isn't going to sink a destroyer or any other fleet ship before it sinks you.


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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2010, 04:39:33 PM »
The weapon a submarine would have a chance against one of the fleet ships are the torpedoes, a submarine's deck gun isn't going to sink a destroyer or any other fleet ship before it sinks you.


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Could kill LVT or PT boats. In U-571 they disabled the radar. Could do the same with killing a large gun on the ship or try edleast.
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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2010, 05:15:42 PM »
Could kill LVT or PT boats. In U-571 they disabled the radar. Could do the same with killing a large gun on the ship or try edleast.

PT Boat would probably kill a sub before it can kill the boat.  A PT boat is far more heavily armed and protected than a submarine, so basically you want a submarine that would only be effective for defending against LVTs while in the water.

I'm not even going to comment on you bringing up U-571 other than to laugh at you for using that movie as a source reference.  Well, I will point out one thing...the ship the U-571 used its deck gun on was a sub tender and it hit the radio room in a wonderful pyrotechnic display of "Hollywood" realism. 

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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2010, 10:52:10 PM »
U-boats that are unrelated to rank would not survive any longer than a CV parked right off the coast.
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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2010, 11:17:58 PM »
PT Boat would probably kill a sub before it can kill the boat.  A PT boat is far more heavily armed and protected than a submarine, so basically you want a submarine that would only be effective for defending against LVTs while in the water.

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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2010, 11:41:26 PM »
Put your waders on gents. Mahogany is now stronger than almost an inch of plate steel.

I'd enjoy watching a Submarine attempting to torpedo a PT Boat.   Wait, maybe the one deck gun (even the AA guns).   Not to mention when a PT boat can and would trun circles around a cumbersome Type VII (or equivalent).

PT-109 (Elco) stayed afloat for 12 hours after forward half was cut in half by a destroyer.
PT-323 (Elco) was cut in half by a kamikaze aircraft on December 10, 1944 off Leyte, yet remained floating for several hours.  
PT-305 (Higgins 78-foot), which had the stern blown off by a German mine in the Mediterranean and yet returned to base for repairs.
PT-171 (Elco) was holed through the bow off New Georgia on August 10, 1943, by an unexploded torpedo which failed to detonate yet remained in action and was repaired the next day.

The double mahogany hulls were stronger than you give them credit for.   You wanna talk about crappy hulls, look no further than the Liberty Ships.  At least they caught it after many broke in half for no reason than "embrittlement".
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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2010, 01:08:50 AM »
I'd enjoy watching a Submarine attempting to torpedo a PT Boat.   Wait, maybe the one deck gun (even the AA guns).   Not to mention when a PT boat can and would trun circles around a cumbersome Type VII (or equivalent).
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PT-109 (Elco) stayed afloat for 12 hours after forward half was cut in half by a destroyer.
It was cut in half, wood floats.
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PT-323 (Elco) was cut in half by a kamikaze aircraft on December 10, 1944 off Leyte, yet remained floating for several hours.
It was cut in half, wood floats.
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PT-305 (Higgins 78-foot), which had the stern blown off by a German mine in the Mediterranean and yet returned to base for repairs.
Same thing here, wood floats.
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PT-171 (Elco) was holed through the bow off New Georgia on August 10, 1943, by an unexploded torpedo which failed to detonate yet remained in action and was repaired the next day.
Big hole in wood.
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The double mahogany hulls were stronger than you give them credit for.  
They broke in half.
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You wanna talk about crappy hulls, look no further than the Liberty Ships.  At least they caught it after many broke in half for no reason than "embrittlement".
Nothing to do with this argument.

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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2010, 06:23:47 AM »
It was cut in half, wood floats. It was cut in half, wood floats.Same thing here, wood floats.Big hole in wood.They broke in half.Nothing to do with this argument.

Thank you for reinforcing my point.   PT Boats would sink more Subs, than vice versa.
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Re: Subs for port protection
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2010, 07:08:52 AM »
What it comes down to is firepower, not hull material.

Sub has a single 3 or 4" gun, most likely with a dual mount 20mm aft for AA. The AA guns have limited traverse and except to the rear probably can not depress down to engage a PT boat.

PT boat has a 37mm in the front that firing HE CAN penitrate the hull of the sub.
And a 40mm in the rear that can also do the job.

Add to that the fact that it has 2 dual .50's and a 20mm which can engage the subs deck crew.


Probable scenario goes something like this.
Sub fires deck gun, pt swerves, shot misses.
PT fires all forward guns, kills half the subs deck gun crew, increasing reload time.

Sub fires deck gun again, close on line but either long or short (hard to judge PT's speed, and its moving fast!)

PT continues to pour fire into sub's deck gun, disabling the gun, killing the crew.
Turns to the side so the rear gun can bear and starts pounding at the waterline.

PT parks 100 yards off the subs side and continues to blow holes in it until it sinks.

Pt goes home for barbecue and beer.

The PT boat is 4 times faster, nimble, and hard to hit.
The sub is 4 times bigger, slow, turns slow, and just needs 1 very small hole in its pressure hull, and it can no longer dive.

Once it can no longer dive, its easy meet for air attack. Which if the PT can't sink it on its own they would do.

Last sub fires a Torp at the PT, which is very unlikely to get a hit the  pt boat.
Be it through manuver, not enough metal to set off the magnetic detonator, or is not able to run shallow enough to physically hit the PT boat.
PT fires a torp at the sub, which hits it and breaks it in half.