Subs for port protection

[Masherbrum]

Good run down Ghosth.  PT Boats had two to eight Depth Charges as well.

[jamdive]

Thank you for reinforcing my point.   PT Boats would sink more Subs, than vice versa.

I take it you fellas have never set foot on a submarine. I see alot of wiki cut-n-paste. This whole thread is pretty much fruitless. A submarine would know of any surface ship long before the surface ship knew where the submarine was. Using it in the manner of the OP puts it out of its element and pretty much turns this thread into useless argument debating the hypotheticals.

If a spitty can make quick work of a pt in a strafing run I the a 40mm bofors would have no problem.

[Masherbrum]

I take it you fellas have never set foot on a submarine. I see alot of wiki cut-n-paste. This whole thread is pretty much fruitless. A submarine would know of any surface ship long before the surface ship knew where the submarine was. Using it in the manner of the OP puts it out of its element and pretty much turns this thread into useless argument debating the hypotheticals.

If a spitty can make quick work of a pt in a strafing run I the a 40mm bofors would have no problem.

Type 7's (common German U Boat) didn't have a 40mm bofors.   <shrugs>.   I've been on a few Subs, but WWII subs didn't have the capability of today.   

[jamdive]

Type 7's (common German U Boat) didn't have a 40mm bofors.   <shrugs>.   I've been on a few Subs, but WWII subs didn't have the capability of today.   

What sub did you board?

[Ack-Ack]

Type 7's (common German U Boat) didn't have a 40mm bofors.   <shrugs>.   I've been on a few Subs, but WWII subs didn't have the capability of today.   

Not to mention that WW2 subs made for terrible surface gun platforms.  They sat too low in the water and would pitch and roll with the seas making aiming rather difficult.

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[jamdive]

Not to mention that WW2 subs made for terrible surface gun platforms.  They sat too low in the water and would pitch and roll with the seas making aiming rather difficult.

ack-ack

As compared to what? A pt boat? lol..now that is funny.

[Ack-Ack]

As compared to what? A pt boat? lol..now that is funny.

Yes, compared to a PT boat or any other combat surface vessel. 


ack-ack

[jamdive]

Yes, compared to a PT boat or any other combat surface vessel. 


ack-ack

Jesus ack ack, pt boats only draw like 5 or 6 feet of draft, that thing would be like a damn cork bobbin around. The last time I sat a maneuvering watch in the sail of a submarine it was sea state 2, didnt even flinch. And the boat I was on wasnt designed to run on the surface, unlike a ww2 submarine. I have also been on planer type vessels on the open seas and ill tell you what, I'll take the sub ride over the kidney jarring blood pissin ride of a planer hull any day. But dont take the opinion of somebody whos been there, done that. Im doubting your argument as to a pt boat being higher in the water than a submarine also. As far as a gun being to low to the water, the most stable place on a vessel is at the water line. Go climb a tree in a windstorm once, Tell me if its more stable up with the birds or down by the trunk.

[Dichotomy]

Jam they're right on this one.  Might happen in the future from what I've read / heard but it's not an immediate need to the game.  Nice to have? sure and maybe, someday.  IMO pointless to argue about it. 

[Masherbrum]

What sub did you board?

For starters and in direct relation to this thread:

http://glnmmorg000.web151.discountasp.net/apps/dnn/mydnn/Attractions/USSSilversides/tabid/60/Default.aspx

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http://www.usscod.org/

Anything else? 

[stealth]

A PT boat is weak and can get killed by one staff from a plane. It is heavily armed I say its a good match. A sub can carry more torpedoes though. Who would waste there time on a PT boat when they can be firing torpedoes at Carriers. LVTs would die easily. A sub would kill the destroyers before they can do anything. Since the destroyers in this game can't launch depth charges or torpedoes. Then air support could kill the heavy cruiser. From there both forces would kill the carrier and the PT boats. Sure a sub wouldn't work in some cases. It's all about strategy. Unless you don't have that and you go in guns blazing and first shot fired by the enemy goes in the middle of the sub. Then that wouldn't work. If everybody did that though none of us would land kills though. Bring in the sub I say. Whatever floats your boat.

[Masherbrum]

A PT boat is weak and can get killed by one staff from a plane. It is heavily armed I say its a good match. A sub can carry more torpedoes though. Who would waste there time on a PT boat when they can be firing torpedoes at Carriers. LVTs would die easily. A sub would kill the destroyers before they can do anything. Since the destroyers in this game can't launch depth charges or torpedoes. Then air support could kill the heavy cruiser. From there both forces would kill the carrier and the PT boats. Sure a sub wouldn't work in some cases. It's all about strategy. Unless you don't have that and you go in guns blazing and first shot fired by the enemy goes in the middle of the sub. Then that wouldn't work. If everybody did that though none of us would land kills though. Bring in the sub I say. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Ghosth]

A Sub vs a single destroyer could go either way, all depended on the firing angle and if the destroyers were alerted or not.

A sub vs 2 destroyers was dead, just a question of time. Because one destroyer could lay off to the side, pinging it with sonar, and tell the other destroyer when to drop depth charges.

Subs generally had one chance to take out a destroyer, and after that would have to dive deep and try to evade.

[stealth]

That's all great and stuff but we don't got sonar next best thing is radar which if we add it to the game it might so up on it. We don't got depth charges eather. I wish we did though.

[321BAR]

The only way we should get subs is by getting shipping convoys with DDEs to kill... if we dont then these DDs in the CV groups could possibly detach from the CV and kill the Sub before the CV is downed... beyond that i have a good feeling HTC would incorporate sonar warning systems into the CV groups automatically like they do with the 12 mile air raid sirens.