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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2010, 04:15:25 PM »


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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2010, 04:27:49 PM »
A fingernail has tightly packed atoms, if our universe were a fingernail the nearest stars would be almost touching us, life would be quite hot.

Our universe, should it be infact something when looked at from outside, would have to be a liquid or a gas to give the planets and stars room to move around like atoms. Essentially this would mean at the edge of the universe would be a blockade of tightly packed atoms/stars as we encountered the container our universe is sloshing about in.

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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2010, 04:54:07 PM »
We just assume the universe doesn't end, our technology has neither confirmed or denied the claim. Back in the 1300s science thought the earth was flat, and that the earth was the center of the universe, yet that was proven false. What if our science today, although we believe is to be true, is just another false assumption like science was back in the 1300s? We can not assume that our science is correct just because it has dis-proven another claim or a false fact, science is nothing more than a collection of theories.


If you actually think about it, there is no possible way to prove that the universe is infinite. If the universe is infinite then we could never reach the end, if we could never reach the end we could never claim that it was infinite to a 100% guaranteed true answer. We assume it is because we have not reached an end yet; but what if we just traveled another mile? Would that be the end? Just another mile after that?

Scientists know that the universe isn't infinite because we can hear the electromagnetic echo of the big bang static on an empty radio station for instance.
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2010, 04:59:34 PM »
Why?  Space doesn't follow the light speed rule, it can expand as fast as it likes.  Size of the universe is no indication of age, it could be infinitely large and a picosecond old.  The universe, as far as we can tell, isn't really expanding at a "speed" at all.  There needs to be another point of reference, a distance.

edit:  Of course I am not infallible nor is everything set in stone.
edit2: A useful site.  http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274

You are correct space expands faster then the speed of light but this is why.  <----------70% of speed of light in both directions -----------> therefore you could say it expands faster then the speed of light so it does obey the rule.
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2010, 05:24:51 PM »
I have thought about this, you're not alone.  But then I go, but there are just those colors that go better together than others, so surely it's the same.  Then I think maybe those color combinations are just socially derived and you're made to believe two colors go together.


Naw, because if you ask people what color, either green or purple, looks closest to red, all but a few give the same answer.
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2010, 05:25:10 PM »
Well we know that atoms make up into larger objects...and those objects make up into our Earth...and our Earth and the others make up into a solar system....and our solar system makes up into a galaxy...what if our known universe is just some pimple on some giant creatures back(God)?  :bolt:

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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2010, 05:29:01 PM »

Naw, because if you ask people what color, either green or purple, looks closest to red, all but a few give the same answer.

That doesn't disprove my point at all.  What color looks closest can be pretty relative to personal opinion, thus a very flawed experiment.  If you read my other post I clarify that I think everyone sees a very similar spectrum, but not identical.
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2010, 06:16:07 PM »
With an inhale, holding of breath, cough as you exhale, and pass to the right?  :lol

you forgot the noise you make as you pass to right...  "eeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrr"

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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2010, 10:11:27 PM »
you forgot the noise you make as you pass to right...  "eeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrr"

lol ... We must've been in the same dorm at USF in 1990?  haha 


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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2010, 11:07:52 PM »
Well yes jayhawk, it doesn't entirely disprove your point, but the OP used red and green as the example, two very different colors. No one is going to say that green is closer to red than purple is. I think that there are slight differences in how we see colors, mostly in what shades we see. This would explain some people saying that maroon is closer to red than orange-red is.
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2010, 11:11:18 PM »
No one is going to say that green is closer to red than purple is.

May I see your source for this statement.  Or is it just an assumption?
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2010, 05:00:26 AM »
Anyone else pondered about this? The color that you see as red is really the color green that I see, but since you grew up to know that color has a specific purpose it would not make difference.


Heres a chart to grasp this question

To Me:                               To You:

Red looks like Red                  Red looks like my Green

Green looks like Green            Green looks like my Red

Or am I just talking out of my !@# here?
Many people have such questions when they are young, myself included. This is one of the reasons I went to science in the first place. The answer to this particular question is yes it looks different, but not in the way you describe.

Colors looks different to people because the response of our eyes to different light wavelengths is similar, but not exact between people. The response to "green" range wavelengths in particular tends to vary. What we perceive as color is just a combination of signals from our eye to our brain and so the brain input is different if your eyes are different. Color is not even a particular wavelength - it is just the total response of the eye to the combination of wavelengths that enter. An infinite combination of wavelengths (spectra) can produce the exact same color for a given set of eyes. The interesting part is that while it is easy to produce two spectra that will produce the same eye response from one person, they may produce a different response from another. How the brain interprets the colors and present them to you (itself) as a colored image is something we cannot compare between people. I really do not know enough about the brain to tell if there are limits we can place on how different are two individual brains are from each other in the detailed way they function.

We can say for certain that different people see different color shades as least. It is well known that male color vision is usually inferior to female's. My wife use color threads for sawing that all look the same to me unless I make a real effort to tell the difference and she is stunned that I cannot see what is an obvious "completely different color". I do not have any particular color vision problem. In this case it is likely that the eyes are different and not the brain.

This is text is from Douglas Hofstaders book “I am a strange loop”. It explain this question very good:

Say a person has an inverted perceptions of white and black. This makes no sense as the properties of black and white are dependent on how much light is reflected by a surface. If the case was that the persons perceptions were inverted, he would see better when it’s dark outside. No such person has been found to date.

How does this apply to the other colors you ask? Well, different colors have different properties under different lighting conditions. Take red for example, if you’ve been outside on a dark night you may have noticed that red fades to black much faster than other colors, say a person has inverted perception of red and yellow, he would find that yellow fades faster than red. Nobody has been proven to have this property of vision either.

If you have inverted black and white, you would see in negative. A negative B/W image is not better or inferior to a normal B/W, only looks weird when you are not used to it. When using thermal night vision instruments, some people prefer hot as white and others hot as black.
The argument about color is not exactly valid either since what makes red fade faster into black is the response curves for the different sensing cells in the eye. If yellow was red, yellow would fade faster into black because the signals coming from the eye to the brain would act in the exact opposite way. This is 100% sensor effect and not brain interpretation.
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2010, 05:24:44 AM »
In atoms electrons and neutrons orbit a center nuclei

A bunch of these packed together a molecule

Our planets orbit a center nuclei....the sun

A bunch of these packed together a galaxy

 Maybe we need to re think the fingernail theory, maybe we are just an atom.....the preverbial speck under a giants fingernail    :noid
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2010, 06:02:23 AM »
you forgot the noise you make as you pass to right...  "eeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrr"

 :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: Is the colors you see the same as the ones I see?
« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2010, 02:11:58 PM »
May I see your source for this statement.  Or is it just an assumption?

OK its an assumption based on going around town asking people if they thought yellow looked closer to green than blue did (I know, not the same colors. I got some wierd looks, but when I explained what it was about, most were nice enough.
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