For the Love of God PLEASE!!!!

[milesobrian]

Sooo...are you saying it's ok to throw a childish temper tantrum about something that has been discussed in these forums ad nauseum, with actual evidence that shows only a small number of the overall population actually experience the issue on a regular basis and in spite of what information HTC has regarding their business decision 4 years ago?

Almost sounds contradictory to your fanboi post:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295151.0.html

You are an idiot "childish temper" for making a wishlist request....wow typical a hole post arent you one of those people that like to criticize every single wishlist post regardless of how justified it is....Lets recap you are the idiot who pays for a game just to wait an hour or two, to be able to enjoy it????  Sounds like the only idiot here is you since you actually waste your time waiting, while the rest of us just have to give up on trying to use the service we paid for, and get on with our day, while you sit their and waste your time.



and the reason they give for adding arena caps is because they say that more people means more trolls or something.  Yet their are trolls in servers with less than 100 people.  and at times with large populations their are no issues with the social aspect of the game.  and to say their is correlation between more people and unrest, is stupid at best....i think the devs got the correlation versus causation mixed up...and that they were losing business, even tho i dont know any players who would make a choice on whether to play this game or not based on not having arena caps.

limiting players play time, to limit the amount of swears on a game that adults play on is foolish at best.  let the players decide where they want to play and with who...make a server with a small map and a corresponding player limit and have a larger map with a larger limit...and the player will decide where to go.

[gyrene81]

You are an idiot "childish temper" for making a wishlist request....wow typical a hole post arent you one of those people that like to criticize every single wishlist post regardless of how justified it is....Lets recap you are the idiot who pays for a game just to wait an hour or two, to be able to enjoy it????  Sounds like the only idiot here is you since you actually waste your time waiting, while the rest of us just have to give up on trying to use the service we paid for, and get on with our day, while you sit their and waste your time.

Lost without a clue. Obvious problem with reading written english. Try reading through again Einstein, only this time with your eyes open and your brain engaged.

[W7LPNRICK]

I think a couple guys ought to meet somewhere & put the gloves on. In the service back 30+ years ago if you were caught in a sh-t throwing disrespect match or fighting you got told to put the gloves on or shut-up. This seemed to stop all the Loud Mouths Punks. Bad? not sure....

[guncrasher]

its 9:30 pm pst arena are capped as followed.

orange 176/100
blue     98/150

I can see how removing cap on orange can be so toxic for the community.  there's hardly a furball at blue.  really sad, we have to put up with this.


semp

[SPKmes]

its 9:30 pm pst arena are capped as followed.

orange 176/100
blue     98/150

I can see how removing cap on orange can be so toxic for the community.  there's hardly a furball at blue.  really sad, we have to put up with this.


semp

different time of day semp....give it another 12 hours and this is the cap period that is the problem....

[Traveler]

Incorrect unless you're implying that Pryo was lying to us when he posted why they implemented split arenas and caps. 

ack-ack

I agree it's not the reason stated by pyro, his reason was something about creating a healthy gaming environment, whatever that means, however, it is the only function of the CAPs.   That's what CAPs do, is to steer people wishing to play in a late war arena to the arena with the lowest total numbers.  without regard to how that total number is split between the different countries within that arena.  Which at times has lead to really loop sided play.

[SlapShot]

and to say their is correlation between more people and unrest, is stupid at best

So let's get this straight ... you are calling HiTech and Pyro ... stupid ?

[uptown]

Here's something I've always wondered....why not just close the LW blue arena down after U.S. prime time? It seems like a simple thing to do and would get around the cap problem. Open LW blue from 12 noon to 12 midnight for instance. Why would this not work?  

I'd hate to see us lose our euro players because of something as silly as arena caps. They are fantastic competition and they add to the realism for me. 

[kvuo75]

and the reason they give for adding arena caps is because they say that more people means more trolls or something.  

that is not the reason, as far as I can remember. hitech got into more detail about the "unhealthy" aspect some time back (i need to start saving everything the staff posts here).. IIRC it had to do with the more players in an arena, the less important each player (especially a new player) becomes, they do not feel needed or part of the group, and new players were not sticking around because of it. his business stopped growing..  they put the caps on, and new players started staying.. growth resumed.


someone can definately correct me if I am remembering incorrectly.

[uptown]

that's pretty much it Kvuo. 

[Traveler]

Start with the OP:
Quote from: VoX on August 18, 2010, 03:23:40 PM
 Listen to the majority of your customers and put the arena cap at something realistic during Euro times (500 up) or get rid of the stupid thing! I don't know any member flying at Euro times that thinks it is a good idea! Try spending some of that money we keep giving you!   

Response #1:
Quote from: gyrene81 on August 18, 2010, 04:33:04 PM
Isn't this special stupid strikes again. If there are that many euros playing, go populate the mid war arena. But oh no's that wouldn't make sense.

Gyrene why do you insists on opening a discussion with a personal attack?
In this war of words, I do think you fired the first shot, at least as evidenced by your posts.

Respons #3:
Quote from: gyrene81 on August 18, 2010, 05:46:53 PM
 “the majority of the players are not complaining”

On what do you base that statement?  Did you conduct a servey?  Review every post on the BB or request information from HT?  Do you have any fact based information that supports that statement?

[gyrene81]

Gyrene why do you insists on opening a discussion with a personal attack?
In this war of words, I do think you fired the first shot, at least as evidenced by your posts.

Some people just make it easy...childish uneducated rants don't deserve a modicum of respect. Had the OP been more mature, there would have been no comment.

On what do you base that statement?  Did you conduct a servey?  Review every post on the BB or request information from HT?  Do you have any fact based information that supports that statement?

Actually,so it's clear the OP specifically stated "listen to the majority of your customers..." so, I did a forum search as stated here:

I can only go by what I see in the forums. Most all of us know there are a very large number of players who either do not look in the forums or limit their forum participation to specific areas outside of the general discussions. So doing an advanced search with the key words "arena caps" and having the search be conducted by the subject line so as to eliminate other discussions involving arena caps (i.e. ideas on how to improve the implementation or what have you) the exact number of gripe discussions started in the General Discussions forum alone since arena caps were started is...11.

The number of people who have been actively posting complaints since the inception of arena caps is approximately 30 from 2006 forward to now...again only in the General Discussions forum.

Now, if the 50 or 60 people who actively post in these forums is the majority...it's doubtful there would be an arena cap problem.

[grizz441]

Here's something I've always wondered....why not just close the LW blue arena down after U.S. prime time? It seems like a simple thing to do and would get around the cap problem. Open LW blue from 12 noon to 12 midnight for instance. Why would this not work?  

I'd hate to see us lose our euro players because of something as silly as arena caps. They are fantastic competition and they add to the realism for me. 

Lusche's idea actually deals with something similar to that.  The trick is saving the war progress as arena's close down.

[Traveler]

It really does seem a pity.  Perhaps the very same set of forces that contributed to HiTech identifying a need for arena caps is affecting the subscriber community as a whole.  Perhaps the community has reached a saturation point and is becoming as a result unhealthy.  I feel that I have witnessed this decline in recent years and everyone pointed a finger at the arena and perhaps hoped that CAPs would fix it.   I feel that the problems perceived in the arena was just a symptom of a much larger issue.  That one day might cause the demise of AH. 
I base this on a gut feeling and recent readings of posts on the BBS.  Some seem so mean spirited  and most, not all, seem to degrade into personal attacks.   Have to ask ourselves why?  My own personal opinion  is a lack of common bond.  I find less members interested in sharing factual information and more interested  in appearing superior to other members. 
Side loyalty no longer exists except as demonstrated by a declining number of squads.  I think that the ability to change sides at will  has degraded the game and the community.  But that ability was implemented to allow better game play and I understand that, however,  my opinion of the lack of side loyalty is demonstrated daily by the number of player that remain tower bound while at work or sleeping even though they know that their AFK presents hurts their sides ENY calculation.  But they do it because they can and they don’t care.  No side loyalty because when they return, they may just go back to being a Knight or Rook or Bishop , which ever they feel like playing on today.
CAPs hurt the game, they are not currently being calculated correctly because everyone in the arena is counted and there are many that are persistent AFK in a tower , thus the calculation for CAPs and ENY is skewed but members don’t care, no side loyalty, they don’t care if the next guy in the game has a fun time.  They just care about “Me” after all according to TV, they  are the “Me Generation”.    Perhaps the community has reached an unhealthy saturation point of the “Me Generation” .

I think the only thing that we can do is be a lot more respecful.  Rmember back when you were 4 yo and mom took you to the park to play in the sand box with the other 4 year olds.  Her words were a life lesson.

Be good, share, play nice and don't throw sand.

[Kazaa]

I just hate caps, cess-pool ftw.