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Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« on: August 31, 2010, 01:15:23 PM »
We are waiting the RAF geeks at boarding gate number 1  :rock

I see it can hold a cookie, someone (Karnak) can resume its stats ?  :D
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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2010, 03:35:56 PM »
 :rock

.. and that will be good.   :)

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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2010, 06:47:34 PM »
Top speed should be about 408-416mph at about 25,000-27,000ft.  On the deck it will probably do about 320mph +/-10mph.
Payload is four 500lb bombs in the bomb bay and one under each wing, or replace the four in the bomb bay with a 4,000lb 'cookie'.  The screen shot shows a 'cookie' and two 500lb bombs, but I am not sure it ever carried that.  I am not sure on that last point.

It has, as many already know, not a single gun on it.  The windscreen is not armored, though contrary to the History Channel, it does have pilot armor and self sealing fuel tanks.

It was also a pressurized aircraft, cockpit pressure being, IIRC, 2lbs.sq.in higher than outside.

Range is basic Mossie, about 1200 miles without drop tanks and about 1800 with them.

B.Mk XVIs began operations in early 1944 so this will be a late war only bomber and is likely to be a low end perk bomber.

Loss rates were, needless to say, extremely low on this aircraft in reality.  I expect it to be useful, but much more vulnerable in AH2 due to the high intensity of combat and frequency of fast fighters.  In particular I would point out the Bf109K-4, P-47M, P-47N, Ta152H-1, P-51B, P-51D, F4U-4, Spitfire Mk XIV and Me163 will all be lethal threats.

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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2010, 08:57:30 PM »
Top speed should be about 408-416mph at about 25,000-27,000ft.  On the deck it will probably do about 420mph +/-10mph.

If it can do 420 mph on the deck, about the only threat it will have will be the 262 and 163.  Is that number correct?
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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2010, 09:14:36 PM »
If it can do 420 mph on the deck, about the only threat it will have will be the 262 and 163.  Is that number correct?
That was a typo. ~320mph +/-10mph.
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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2010, 12:33:04 AM »
I believe this was the Mosquito we had in AW and that thing was untouchable at high altitudes, only fuel load limited it.

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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 01:19:42 AM »
Variant summary from "Mosquito" by C. Martin Sharp & Michael J. F. Bowyer:
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B.Mk. XVI (Merlin 72/73, 76/77 Bomber with two-stage Merlins and a pressure cabin.  First flew 1.1.44. Fuel: 860 gal. max., 539 gal. with useful load (4 X 500 lb. bombs and 2 X 100 gal. drop tanks); 587 gal. max. fuel load or 497 gal. plus 4,000 lb. bomb and 2 X 50 gal. tanks.  Weights: (lb.) a.u.w. with small bomb bay 23,646 (24,152 carrying 2 X 100 gal. tanks), a.u.w. with 6 X 500 lb. bombs on Avro carrier 24,030.  With 4,000 lb. bomb: 14,901 tare, a.u.w. 24,412; a.u.w. with 2 X 100 gal. tanks 25,917.  With H2S a.u.w. 24,064 when carrying 4 X 500 lb. bombs and Boozer with Oboe and 4,000 lb. bomb; a.u.w. 25,501 when also fitted with Album Leaf, Fishpond, Boozer or Monica.  23,888 lb. recommended for the 4,0000lb. bomb Mk. IX/XVI, on 20.1.44, maximum take off weight as 25,200 lb. and landing weight of 20,500 lb.., fuel capacity being 597 gal., operating from an 1,800 yard runway.  Initial operating ceiling was set by this order at 28,500 feet, rising to 29,500 feet at target.  Still-air range was set at 1,470 miles, max. op. range as 1,00 miles and op radius at 550 miles.  Speeds: (8 Group listing) 329 m.p.h. at S.L., max. after leaving target 333 m.p.h. S.L.,, max. 408 m.p.h. F.S. gear at 28,500 feet before target, 419 m.p.h after, all with unshrouded exhaust machines (standard). Length overall 40 feet 6 inches. Declared obsolete 14.4.49.

So, we have loaded speed at sea level at 329mph, after bombs gone at sea level of 333mph.  Best altitude is 28,500ft where it does 408mph with bombs and 419mph afters bombs are gone.
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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2010, 02:11:03 AM »
Dive bombing with the cookie is going to be SO fun  :neener:
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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2010, 05:09:19 AM »
Dive bombing with the cookie is going to be SO fun  :neener:
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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2010, 06:24:33 AM »
Dive bombing with the cookie is going to be SO fun  :neener:

They did drop the Cookies in a shallow dive.

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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2010, 08:32:01 AM »
Awesome looking plane indeed!

Karnak, according to www.mossie.org: B.XVI Bomber. Pressure cabin development of the B.IX with Merlin 72, 73, 76 and 77 engines able to carry 3000lb bombs. All were converted in 1944 to take 4000lb bomb in the fuselage and two 50 gallon wing drop tanks or 100 gallon drop tanks with four 500lb bombs.
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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2010, 09:14:28 AM »
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mosquito/dz540.pdf

Indicates 342 TAS at 2k with +18 lbs boost (WEP) for a PR XVI so 333 TAS sounds about right considering the bulged doors.

 
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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2010, 11:55:52 AM »
Fair well Ju-87. Your time was served well, but you have a replacement now  :D

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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2010, 02:41:38 PM »


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Re: Aces High Plane Preview: Mosquito B.XVI
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2010, 05:04:49 PM »
Fair well Ju-87. Your time was served well, but you have a replacement now  :D
are you kidding? this is like replacing a VW beetle for an Aston-Martin DB9.... talk about a step up.
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